Sorry, maybe I should have said this from the get- both these coins are already in NGC holders. I was crossing them over to PCGS.
There is one major difference with PCGS from what the NGC site describes. For whatever reason NGC will only allow cross overs for PCGS coins while PCGS will allow you to send in any holders for cross over. 97 is environmental damage, as mention several times they holder those. The most likely explanation is they thought it was VG not F.
I have no clue why PCGS won't cross the coin unless the OP specifically demanded "grade or better," and that doesn't appear to be true. Here's a slabbed "Environmental Damage" Fugio with letter grade in a current holder:
Ok, just got off the phone with PCGS. I think we have it sorted - there were two things that flagged the coin. One was the pedigree, which was pretty specifically mentioned in the Heritage Auction, but they won't recognize it. This one is going into my collection, so the pedigree on the label isn't as big a deal. The other was they won't give it a F-Details designation, it would be lower. In any event, I told them I just want it in a PCGS holder with the correct 1/1 Variety and they were able to pull the order and get it back in the hands of the graders. Hopefully it's fixed!
What would be longer than "years"? Decades? Centuries? PCGS started grading "Genuine" coins with added details grading letter option on November 15, 2011. You seem to exaggerate how long they have been doing this.
That'll work. For a coin like this, the potential buyer demographic isn't going to need someone to tell them how to evaluate it anyway.
A decade would be longer yes. I couldn't remember the exact date but almost 5 years is certainly a long time. You seem to have nothing better to do today
...just correcting your continuing/normal mis-information. Funny that the guy who has > 1,100 posts in 4 months of being on these boards is pointing out that I might have nothing to do today. You must have nothing to do everyday then, eh?
The potential buyer conversation will be had by my son, now 6. He's the future numismatist. He can worry about that when I'm pushing up daisies. The Fugios and the Columbus Civil War tokens are not for sale until then.
You don't slab them for yourself; you slab them out of love and respect for your heirs. Kinda like making your own funeral arrangements during your life, to lessen the burden on those who have to bury you.
Still a child I see. By the way mis-information has to actually be wrong. "Saying years if not longer" was indeed accurate, eBay may have some calculators for you to help with that. Nice try though.
Yes, and when you're going to make up stuff in the future, try Google first. It took me all of 15 seconds to find the exact date of when PCGS started grading "Genuine" problems coins with grade letter designation details grades.
It was factually accurate it is indeed years. If not longer implies it could have been longer not that it is. Don't bother trying again that's that last time I am addressing such a petty issue of trying to make something out of nothing