As many of you might know, I've a bit of a Jefferson Nickel enthusiast. As a result, I try to pick up the 1994 and 1997 Matte Proof nickels when I can. Usually, I have to buy the sets, meaning I have an extra coin to sell (the commemorative silver dollar) - which I normally look at as just another task. Picked up two of the 1994 sets (I'm calling it the 1994 set because the nickel is 1994, even though the dollar is 1993) from the LCS yesterday. Decided to "get around" to imaging the dollars so they could be listed on my website (and also pulling the nickel out and getting it set aside for a future bulk submission, hoping to get a 70 one of these days.) Well...I have seen some of these with some decent toning before. This is my first Jefferson dollar that I'm actually going to save...thought I'd share it with you. This time, I was smart enough to take a quick photo before taking it from the OGP...which will be important later. Here it is in the sealed package (apologies for the glare, trying to get the toning to show with sunlight and a cell phone camera): For fun, here is my 1997 Botanic Dollar that NGC called UNC Details "artificial toning" - even though I pulled it straight from the packaging and submitted it. Enjoy!
Ouch. Did you at least call them and tell them where they could shove their UNC details? I can't possibly imagine why that one got tagged. I've seen even wilder moderns in PCGS holders, so maybe you could try there.
They seem to be tagging almost every modern with toning now a days, especially silver eagles. They really are kind of forcing everyone to use PCGS for those modern toners
Forgot to add there is nothing about that Botanic that should have bagged it. Sadly I think the Monticello would suffer a similar fate if sent to NGC. There have been reports in the past of things sent in sealed getting hit with the AT label when clearly they toned in their packaging. At the very least they should consider adding notes to their system for the graders if a coin was sent in a sealed mint box that the toning happened on its own.
Not to pop your bubble how many would you like? I even have some with the two dollar star note in them ....that were only found in 5 % of these sets.
@Paul M. - No, I did not. Because I want every phone call I make to NGC/PCGS/ANACS to be a friendly one, because sometimes I will want them to give me a better deal on grading fees, and so far, it's working. And yes, I've seen dealers with tables FULL of neon colored Morgans in PCGS slabs (which will spark the debate of whether they were toned when they were submitted or afterwards.) @baseball21 - Yes, I would send them to PCGS, if I wasn't waiting for both arms and legs to grow back after the last submission to them (rolls eyes) Haha...no worries, @Paddy54 - no bubble burst. I like mine WAY more than yours. @Burton Strauss III - I think this is an argument people have been having on this forum (and others) for a long, long time. But IMO, a coin in a sealed OGP that gets toned from the OGP (it has been sitting in the LCS safe for years) is not AT. No coin doctor intentionally did something to it to make it look like this...just the elements, the coin, and time. So I'll reiterate that NGC was WRONG!
Did you call and ask them if you could submit it in the original packaging? And yes I know even in the original packaging someone could tamper with it or get them to tone. But still they could see the set in hand. I need to go look and see if the one set I kept(I think it is Jefferson set) has started to tone.
For the Botanic, it was a moot question anyway, as I was so excited to image it I'd already removed it from the OGP. I didn't think (like others have said) that it even looked close to something artificially toned, so I didn't think NGC would have an issue with it. For this Jefferson, there are a couple scuffs on the obverse that would keep it from getting a 70 - well, that, and the fact that I'm not a huge volume dealer - plus I have no intention of selling it any time soon. So not a huge deal any more.
It's going to be very difficult to get raw toners into a slab, going forward. The ability to artificially tone a coin in convincing manner is becoming widespread.
I gotta say that toning on the Jefferson is awesome! It's literally a rainbow arched over the building. It couldn't be better. Nice find!
Rainbow as seen last night from Arm & Hammer Park Trenton, NJ. The Thunder beat the Reading Phillies. Used PhotoScape to join the two together.
"They", meaning not just NGC, have been being wrong on a whole lot more than that for a long time. No, they (meaning the graders) wouldn't. Coins that ARE sent in in original packaging are removed from that original packaging and put in a flip before the graders ever see the coins. Becoming ? It was already widespread a long time ago, so that isn't what's changed. What's changed is that more people are finally willing to believe it.
