Can anyone identify this ancient coin? Pergamon In Mysia?

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  1. zacktheripr

    zacktheripr New Member

    Hey everyone, i recently made a purchase that the seller listed as a Pergamon In Mysia Greek Bronze coin. They said that they were not 100% sure on wether it was a Pergamon in Mysia and i have my doubts to.
    Would anyone have an idea?

    Any help greatly appreciated!
     

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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Did the seller indicate the era of the coin? By that I mean who the two busts on the obverse might be? The images make it difficult to determine much about the coin.
     
  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Hmm, that's going to be tough. What is the size and weight?
     
  5. The Big Bad Wolf

    The Big Bad Wolf Well-Known Member

    I would leave that coin the hell alone. It's eaten up with bronze disease; if you are lucky you'll have it a few years before it turns to powder.
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Also, it is difficult to flip back and forth between databases and images when you attach pictures as thumbnails, with separate obverse and reverse. It is far better to crop and join the sides and to post the full image in the thread. Like this:

    CT-Zach-unknown.jpg
     
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  7. zacktheripr

    zacktheripr New Member

    Unfortunately no i wasn't given much to go by, the only info they could really give is that it weighs 8.5 grams and is 25mm in diameter and that a Pergamon in Mysia was the closest that they could find. Im no expert but from doing a bit of browsing I'm starting to think it might be a GORDIAN III and Wife TRANQUILLINA by the way it looks? But im not sure.
     
  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Big Bad Wolf is right-- this coin has bronze disease and unless aggressively treated and stored in a dry environment, it won't be long before it turns into a pile of light green powder.

    As for and ID, there are oodles of confronted obverse provincials.
     
  9. zacktheripr

    zacktheripr New Member

    Thanks for the tip TIF, and The Big Bad Wolf as far as it being pretty well shot i had a feeling it would eventually be completely unidentifiable as much as it already is, i only paid a little over a dollar for it so i'm not to worried. But ya i didn't think i would get to much off of it due to the condition .
     
  10. The Big Bad Wolf

    The Big Bad Wolf Well-Known Member

    If I were you I would keep this coin separated from your other bronze coins. It would also be a good idea to not reuse the holder it's in for any other coins.
     
  11. zacktheripr

    zacktheripr New Member

    Ill definitely do that, thank you all for the advice.
     
  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I think I've found your coin's ID, @zacktheripr.

    It looks like there are traces of vertical legends on the reverse, perhaps a couple of lines on either side of the standing figure.

    CNG's archives are easiest to search so I started there, using search terms "AE, confronted, standing", then quickly scrolled through the resulting hits for obverse confronted busts, a reverse standing figure, and vertical legends on the reverse. This one looks like a strong contender:

    http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=266834

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    Rare Homonoia Issue
    333, Lot: 183. Estimate $150.
    Sold for $425. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.

    PHRYGIA, Laodicea ad Lycum. Pseudo-autonomous issue. temp. Claudius, AD 41-54. Æ (25mm, 11.93 g, 2h). Homonoia with Smyrna. Anton. Polemon, son of Zenon, priest for the fourth time. Confronted, laureate heads of the Demoi of Laodicea and Smyrna / Zeus Laodiceus standing left, holding eagle and scepter. Franke-Nollé 1198 (dies A/17) = RPC I 2912; SNG Copenhagen 613. Near VF, black-green patina, a few pits. Rare.

    ...

    The next step would be to search for other bronzes from the same city and region to see if there are other confronted bust possibilities from that location. If you're very lucky, this will be the only one and you could be somewhat confident of a match... if I'm even barking up the right tree :D. Another strategy is to look through the reference catalogs cited for the CNG coin.

    ...
    Edited to post the two pictures close together for ease of comparison (interestingly, the CNG coin also appears to have bronze disease. I hope the winning bidder treated it):

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  13. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    There is another example in Wildwinds. The seller information for that listing has the legends spelled out, so I'm pasting that information here. The Wildwinds coin is very worn. There must be better examples in existence somewhere or the legends would not be known-- yours, the Wildwinds coin, and the CNG coin are too far gone to read, although the CNG example is almost complete.


    Laodicea, Phrygia, times of Claudius, AD 50 - 4
    US $260.00
    February 10, 2008
    Seller Gerhard Rohde

    Estimate: US $ 260

    Bronze coin
    Laodicea, Phrygia
    Times of Claudius, AD 50 - 4
    DHMOS LAODIKEWN KAI ZMURNAIWN
    Laureate head of the Demos of Laodicea facing laureate head of the
    Demos of Smyrna.
    EPI IEREWS ANTWNIOU PO UIOU ZHNWNOS
    Zeus Laodiceus standing l., with eagle and staff.
    7.19 gram
    27.7 mm
    RPC 2912
    Rare.

    ...

    Even though your coin has been ravaged by bronze disease, it is apparently a rare coin and I encourage you to treat the bronze disease ASAP in an effort to halt the progression.
     
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