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Chris it's all a good question but really this scale is not up to par not sure exactly what it's doing. Maybe at a later date I'll get out my powder measuring scale it's accurate up to the grain. Right now that's not a priority.

 

So it's okay with you to tell a new member who just started error coin collecting, and is showing a 2015 coin with some filled numbers on the reverse. You're going to tell this individual that it's a grease fill when there is no actual grease involved and it's actually a contamination fill. You tell me which ones a true statement. Yes it would be true for a later date coin when grease was actually involved in the manufacturing process. But in modern coin processing grease is no longer a factor. (That's a fact Jack)

 

Hear! Hear!

If it was only so simple.... unfortunately, the reality is far different. While you're certainly entitled to collect whatever floats your boat and call it whatever you choose, doing so publicly does a disservice to your fellow "hobby" collector as well as those you label as "monetary". Like it or not, there is no defining line between the two, and the fact that you have no plans for this coin beyond personal enjoyment means nothing; the person reading this, now or a few years down the road, who doesn't know better and sees you insist this coin to be something it probably isn't can be mislead into believing it. No matter what type of "collector" one may be, or if they're a collector at all, it is very important that only correct information is posted to the board. Wording opinion as fact or posting questionable claims/information can be dangerous to others, and particularly to those who least deserve it.

Another issue you may want to consider is that misrepresenting coins, even if only those in one's own collection, can have unintended consequences, and I'm telling you this from repeated personal experience. Coin collections are almost always viewed as being "valuable" by those not directly involved, and in particular, the collector's family members. Unfortunately, all too often upon a collector's demise, family is left to deal with and liquidate the collection and this is where the initially innocent mislabeling of coins can cause serious problems. When a coin is represented as being something of value by its past owner, it is the family, when seeking an appraisal or to sell, put on the spot and more often than not left holding the bag, especially in today's world where anyone can easily research "values". Just to try to further the point: X collector, for whatever reason, labeled X coin as being something worth $1000 - let's say some sort of error - yet in reality it is just damaged/altered/whatever. Who do you think the family is likely to believe, their loved one or the (in their eyes) schmo telling them their $1000 coin is really worth a quarter? It's the same deal with counterfeits, problem coins, etc. You certainly don't have to believe me, but I promise you this type of thing happens and happens often, and in cases where there is an estate to be divided, can cause problems between the family members themselves. When little sister who, for no other reason than she wants to get paid, convinces herself daddy's collection "must" be worth tens of thousands learns that it was, even if fact, near worthless, what do you think often happens? Big brother is ripping her off, or the dealer/buyer, or maybe the lawyer... anyone and/or everyone and is completely unnecessary. I could go on and on.

My point with this is not that it'll happen to you, but only that there can be unforseen consequences to innocent actions, and this is one of many reasons why posting only truth/facts can be so very important.

 

Oh Stop. It's pretty bad when one has to blame "their equipment".

You posted the weight, discussed the weight and when presented with some facts about the weight now say your equipment is faulty?

It's not missing even a single clad layer much less both clad layers which only leaves the conclusion that either the coin was plated (PMD-Damaged) or it's suffered some storage problem causing the discoloration (PMD-Damage).

At this point, continuing to argue for some unsubstantiated reasoning for it having missing clad layering is silly and certainly not a way to begin learning something.

 

Coins of this denomination which in fact are missing 1 clad layer weigh <1.9 gms. So, yes, it's known how much the clad layer "should" weigh.











Clad layering is of equal thickness on both sides of CnClad coins.

 

Sending it in for grading and attribution will cost FAR MORE than a digital scale. Mine cost me $19.95. They are readily available and if you're going to continue making claims about what you "think" a coin might be, then $19.95 will turn out to be a heckuva lot cheaper than the wasted effort of having your treasures rejected in the grading room or the amount of time it takes to defend your theories using equipment that can serve as an out.

If anything at all, the amount of time required to find your "reloading scale" just to save a small bit of "face", would be time well spent.

I read your replies and all I see is excuse after excuse of why you can't or won't do anything other than defend a defenseless position.

"IF" you care about what you say, which obviously you do otherwise you wouldn't even bother posting, then you'll get off your duff and do something to "factually" support your theory. If not, then your just blowing hot air for whatever reasons.

You posted, folks responded with "factual" opinions, yet you continue to ignore whats being said.

As for your "other projects"? Those don't appear to be keeping you from continuing to post so they mustn't be all that pressing. Sheesh!

 

Forget the word "should" and please explain to us dummies, the EXACT meaning of <1.9 gms.

Sure, I can point my finger at the moon, and if my rocket were to take off based on that trajectory, it should hit the moon somewhere........maybe!

Chris

 

I understand! I just thought we might gain better insight about your coin.

Chris

 

You can't retract a post. Typically, the best thing to do is to click on "Edit", then delete all of the text (using backspace, for example). The Edit function will not allow you to delete everything, so it is suggested to leave a period (.) or something.

Chris

 

Previously graded examples weigh 1.86 to 1.9 grams witht he presumption that the "1.9" was rounded up to 1.9 from some lessor value.

Here's one I just ran across, missing BOTH obv and rev layers at 1.3 gms.



Correct weight should be 2.27 gms.

2.27 - 1.86 = .41
2.27 - 1.3 = .97

I believe that its reasonable to state that the weight of a Roosevelt Dime missing 1 clad layer "should" be less than 1.9 gms.

 

Okay all of you listen up. At the beginning of this thread that I started the first member asked me a question. What I thought the missing was, and I said what I thought it was missing clad layer. Three pages later you doing the same stuff you are good at doing, saying I'm claiming this doing that. All I did was express my opinion and that's what these coins are, and how they got in the condition there in seems to be the subject. Only thing I ever stated was there missing their clad layer which is a true statement. And as far as showing these coins to me they were a interesting find in Loomis bankrolls. And just wanted to share that with other members, I believe that's what this site is about so please don't put words in my mouth. And just for your own personal information my disability prevents me from standing on my feet for an extended period of time. I have to periodically take breaks. I hope this will give you a little understanding on why I'm able to answer replies.

 

This is where I disagree with you, completely! Based on your definition, how do you classify hobbyists who collect Early American Coppers, Capped Bust Halves or Morgan Dollars? Isn't a knowledge of current values necessary to grow this hobbyists collection?

Based on the images you have posted since you joined, all of your coins are ones you found in circulation. How often do you find an EAC or CBH in circulation? Just because you get your coins out of circulation doesn't mean there aren't other hobbyists who choose to do things differently.

Chris

 

Do you see the problem with this, sir? Right or wrong you're certainly entitled to your own opinion and to express it as you see fit, but that's NOT what you're doing here. Look at the above: you initially claim that the only thing you've done is to express your opinion, yet immediately turn around and again claim that your opinion is an absolute fact ("true statement").

When choosing to make such an absolute statement, you cannot rightfully hide behind the "it's my opinion" excuse; it either is or it isn't, and in this case it, unfortunately, isn't. Please don't think I'm just out to bash you or the coin as that's not the case at all. I'd like nothing more than to agree with and congratulate you on a fantastic find, but the very evidence you've presented shows it to be otherwise.

 

For a number of years I have purchased coins from American Mint and have accumulated quite a few. Some are copies of rare and valued coins others are commemoratives and medals. I bought them mostly for their beauty and enjoyment of just looking at them.
I have come to that part of my life (89) years when I should start think about
selling them off. I don't have anyone in the family that would appreciate them
and besides I could use some extra money at this time.
I wonder if any of you knowledgeable gentlemen can advise me?.
Thank you Bojo

 

For a number of years I have purchased coins from American Mint and have accumulated quite a few. Some are copies of rare and valued coins others are commemoratives and medals. I bought them mostly for their beauty and enjoyment of just looking at them.
I have come to that part of my life (89) years when I should start think about
selling them off. I don't have anyone in the family that would appreciate them
and besides I could use some extra money at this time.
I wonder if any of you knowledgeable gentlemen can advise me?.
Thank you Bojo

 

It's interesting how you can post in mostly proper English and at other times it's almost impossible to understand what you are saying. I guess it's tough to keep your act together with every post.

We are being played folks. The OP is only here to mess with us.

 

There is a forum on this site that you can list stuff you wish to sell. Welcome to CT.

 

Here is one part of my collection -

 

I'm sure many are willing to help, but perhaps it would be best to start a new thread better explaining what you have and/or want to do, especially considering the unfortunate turn this thread has taken. Welcome to the forum, sir.