Got Paduans?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Carthago, Apr 16, 2016.

  1. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    My dad gave me this coin a few years back and told me that Joel Malter told him that it was a Paduan. I don't know jack squat about Paduans or Vitellius but I did some very basic research and asked some questions on Forvm a few years back and it seemed to point to Malter's opinion being accurate.

    So, anyone got a Paduan you'd like to share? Here's mine until someone just marginally more informed than me (and that won't take much) to prove otherwise.

    Vitellius Paduan from Dad PS.jpg
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very nice medal, I have nary to offer.
     
  4. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I have none, but almost pulled the trigger on one several months ago...
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I know they are collectible in their own right, but I just can't make myself pull the trigger. I think they are nice as is yours.
     
  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Yours is Lawrence 28 as listed in a booklet The Paduans by Richard Hoe Lawrence. IMHO that makes it a full fledged Paduan. There were other workers in the Renaissance cutting dies for replica sestertii or medallions which are not listed in Lawrence. Some are every bit as good as the Cavinos and I am unclear on how Lawrence separated the Cavino work from that of other workers.

    The BIG problem is struck original Paduans and other Renaissance replicas are outnumbered by cast copies of the originals. We call these copies 'aftercasts' and apply modifiers like 'early' and 'late' according to someone's opinion of whether the coin is a cast or a cast of a cast or a cast of a cast of a cast.... I would call yours an early aftercast since it has decent detail but I don't see it as a struck original.

    I have two. The Mars is a Lawrence 69 late aftercast.
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    The other is not listed in Lawrence but copies a medallion of Septimius and probably was done about the same time but is an after aftercast that probably spent tome as a pocket piece so it is hardly a high demand item.
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    My other non-Lawrence item is a sestertius (not a medallion) copying the Divus Pertinax sestertius. The cast was not made from a real Roman sestertius but from original die work of a later time (Renaisannce or later???). When things like this show up, they sell. All are fakes but there seems to be a time when collectors become more forgiving and we seem to have a soft spot (in heart or head?) for the 'Paduans'.

    https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=232557
    The above is a struck example of your coin. Yours is not worth the same number.

    https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=216188
    The above is an early aftercast of what CNG called a Cavino even though it is not in Lawrence. My pitiful coin is worth a fraction.

    The link below suggests someone in 1822 had a Pertinax (#5106) like mine but calling it a Paduan is a stretch.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=S...Q6AEILjAE#v=onepage&q=pertinax paduan&f=false
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    BTW, scrolling up a page and down a few on my last link will be an eye opener as to coin prices and ignorance in 1822 numismatics. Roman silver is sold in bulk lots. The listing believes that there are real sestertii of Otho. There are many tidbits here for people who don't take the hobby too seriously.
     
  8. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    This was sold as a Paduan. I haven't put the time in to figure out how old it really is.
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  9. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Doug - Thank you very much for the education and links! I think the coin is cast, as you say as it really doesn't look like the struck one on the CNG link.
     
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