AV 1/4 Dukat Salzburg 1782 Archbishop Hieronymus Von Colloredo

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  1. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

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  3. spirityoda

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  4. kolhoznik

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    Salzburg is part of modern day Austria but at the time it was an independent bishopric. It was taken away from the bishop and given to Tuscany sometime during Napoleon's time and eventually folded into the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
     
  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    confused!!!! where will I find this in my Krause catalog ? country ??? KM# ???
     
  6. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Its KM#443

    Salzburg was an independent Archbishopric/ it is listed under "Austrian States".
    NOTE: Prices in Krause are getting a little obsolete(time they published a updated edition) That coin lists for 350US....they go go for triple that now. Last one auctioned realized 850 euros.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    panzerman -

    Care to see if you can find a KM number for this one ?

    1782 oms ducat obv.jpg 1782 oms ducat rev.jpg


    I'll even give you another example to look at -


    1782 oms ducat obv b.jpg 1782 oms ducat rev b.jpg
     
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  8. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    not listed in my 3rd edition Krause. :meh:
     
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  9. wcg

    wcg Well-Known Member

    KM-PN12?

    Off metal silver strike of gold ducat.
     
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  10. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    The book I have is Krause Standard Catalogue of World Gold Coinage 1600-present 6th Edition (2009) i think that is where the confusion is.....
    John
     
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Apparently so, now could you please tell me what Krause book (edition) you found it in ?
     
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  12. wcg

    wcg Well-Known Member

    I wish I had the magic answer. I was riding the coattails of more knowledgeable cataloguers at the auction houses who already wrestled with that question. Heritage carried a beautiful example a few years back in Jan 2012. Stacks carried on in Oct 2010 but they classified it as PN-13. I am not sure of the difference between PN-12 and PN-13. I see some examples on acsearch.info archives also.
     
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well I'm asking because the first of the two examples I posted, that could be said to be the discovery coin. I bought it from a dealer friend of mine 12 years ago and at that time there was no listing for that coin in any Krause book, or any other book for that matter. It was mentioned and described a couple of times in auction catalogs in the previous couple of decades. And even then the only thing it said was that nobody knew what it was because it had never been seen or even heard of before. Other than those old auction catalogs the first time that coin was ever mentioned was when I posted about it right here on this forum in 2004.

    Later on I found another example, the 2nd I posted, and I bought it as well. Then one of my students found yet a 3rd and he bought it. If memory serves, it's one of the two examples that you mention.

    Over time a few more of these coins showed up. Sometimes I ran across them, other times others told me about them. Even so, there is still not more than a handful of them known to exist. And I was just curious as to when Krause actually got around to finally listing these coins because I haven't bought a new Krause in many years. My copy of the edition that "would" have that coin, was published in 2002. Thus the reason for my asking.
     
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  15. wcg

    wcg Well-Known Member

    I am going to take a blind stab at it and guess "show coin" which would be equivalent to the special issue schautalers in the German States? Not struck for general circulation, but rather considered to be more of a commemorative piece or medal.
     
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