What Would I Call This?

Although I have been dabbling in coins on and off since I was a young kid, it is only recently that I have become more interested in errors, die cracks, etc. So would I call this a cud or something else? In the first photo, as the raised area moves into the "B" in LIBERTY it turns into more of an indentation like a cut rather than a raised area. Until it hits the "B" it is raised. From the rim to the Q it is raised. This is a 2008-D Alaska quarter.

Picture two is indented like a cut starting at the "R" but raised like a die break from the top of the "T" through the "E".

 

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Waiting on the experts, but in an attempt to educate myself, I'm guessing die crack?

 

@Dougmeister - I'm with you. I'll add possible lamination if the OP sees peeling.

 

No peeling that I can tell.

 

A side view of the edge at the anomaly may be helpful. "If" this is not PSD in the form of a cut then it is planchet related , not die related. Possibly a split clad layer before strike.

 

Keep in mind, a "cut" is going to raise displaced metal. You would expect an impact to be a "positive" on the coin as well as a "negative." And then you have to factor later circulation folding the raised metal over somewhat.

 

SD , good point.

 

Incused and raised can be hard to correctly discern sometimes. Check at multiple angles and lighting.

 

Well said! I believe that this is PMD.

Chris

 

Ask and you shall receive...maybe!! The areas are definitely raised, not raised on one edge like something striking it and pushing the metal up.

 

Supposedly there were some 1959D Lincoln cents with a diecracks thru all of Liberty. They were nicked named Armageddon BIEs.

 

IMO, it looks like a problem on the planchet that was not totally struck out.

You are the only one who can tell for sure. IF the inside of the cut and marks is "original and dull" that's what it is. IF the recesses are shiny and sharp (they don't look like it in the photo) PMD.

Yours is a question that can be answered in seconds at a TPGS w/coin in hand.

 

This all appears to be post-strike damage.

 

call it PMD... your coin took a bunch of hits...

 

That looks like PMD, a cut which raised some of metal. Not mint made.

 

I don't think I can call this Post Strike Damage. Note the serif of the L of Liberty that is closest to the I . Were this damage that happened after the strike it should show evidence through this serif but it doesn't .

 

@ Stoneman I've look some more: NOT PMD

After your post I looked again. Proof is on the rim in the bottom photo under the "R T." DULL Original planchet surface INSIDE the "cuts."

Thanks for your post.

 

So what would I call it, then? I will take another picture around the RT tomorrow. Too much hockey on right now...lol!!

 

If it is what I think it is they are planchet flaws. Then they need to be classified... split, incomplete, defective planchet...whatever, hockey is on.

 

Hockey's over, the Blackhawks lost...GO KINGS!! Carolina is out of the playoffs again so I root for my old team all year too. Here are more pics of the rim area, etc. Hopefully this will give some of you a real good look at the spots in question.