First non-GOLD ancient!

Well, I started a new topic AR Roman Imperial coinage. Here is my first ever. Philip II Antoninius 244-46AD Rome Mint. From Jesus Vico Auction.

 

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Excellent Antoninianus---wonderfully centered strike with terrific details!!

 

indeed about BOT

 

Well thanks...am new with these. But, its nice way to collect Imperial coinage. Its a neat way to get a lot of the emperors, very affordable.

 

After the onslaught of rare, FDC, unpublished specimens and plate coins, this is only mildly cool and not yellow enough. Sorry. If this was owned by someone else and sat next to lesser coins this coin would be way more awesome and desired by all, who saw it.

Here is a nice Gordian...

 

Nice for sure, and then some. Always wondered why they depict Gordian III on his Aurei with laureate bust/ but on the silver coinage he is wearing a crown, same for Philip II. Strange/ crown looks much more regal.

 

@dougsmit is the guy to best answer that, I believe it has to do with the denomination. (?) I wanted to know if the crown ever really existed.

 

First none gold, wonder how many coin collectors can say that

Nice coin and my Tet of him.


PHILIP II (247 - 249 A.D.)
SYRIA, Seleucis and Pieria
BILLON TETRADRACHM
O:AVTOK K M IOVLI FILIPPOC CEB: Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right. Seen from behind.
R: DHMARC EX OVCIAC VPATO D: Eagle standing right, wings spread, holding wreath in its beak, ANTIOXIA S C below.
Anioch, Syria Minted: 249 AD
26mm
13g
SNG Cop 1211, Prieur 473

 

A beautiful quality coin. A stunner.

I must admit that I will accept a much lower quality to enter my collection.

I have bought a couple of Philip coins recently.

This one is Philip I. The crown is for a double denarius denomination. We refer to is the Antoninianus after the emperor that introduced it, who we refer to as Caracalla. The lareate bust is a single denarius denomination though the silver was now debased. The aureus was still an aureus and thus maintained the laurel.

I like Adventus types.

Philip I Antoninianus

Obv:– IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG, Radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right
Rev:– ADVENTVS AVGG, Philip riding left on horseback
Minted in Rome. A.D. 247-249
Reference(s) – RSC 3. RIC 26b



This second is Philip II but comes from Antioch (determined by style).

Philip II Antoninianus

Obv:- IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG, Radiate bust right, seen from the rear
Rev:- AEQVITAS AVGG, Aequitas standing left holding scales and cornucopia
Minted in Antioch
Reference:– RIC 240(a)var. RSC 1 var. Bland 61

 

Hey, panzerdawg => I have a whole crap-load of AR babies if you want to start trading?



... just jokes

=> that's a great new addition (I'm actually a fan of the silver coins ... I was starting to get bored of your stunning gold examples, again and again, and again, and again ...)

*welcome to the dark-side*



=> you have earned your first free cookie!! (congrats)

 

Welcome to the world of ancient coins @panzerman !

That's what we're used to say to newbies when they're loging for the first time on CT and show their first purchase, usually some kind of crappy Gordian III or severian denarius, or any antoninianus struck in millions. Obviously you're a newbie of a new kind with a stunning example

BTW the radiate crown you mention is the way to differentiate a denarius (laureate) from an antoninianus (radiate), the latter being twice the value of the former. For gold they're usually laureate, unless you see the occasionnal double aureus, called binio which is radiate too.

Q

 

Man, I can hardly wait to see you're first nasty ol' bronze cull ...

=> you're finally gettin' down and dirty with the rest of the landscapers!!

Congrats (it looks good on you, my Canadian coin-friend)



Oh and again, if you want to start swapping a few gold ones for bronze ones, then I'm your coin-man!! (I'm just sayin' => I've got yer back)

 

Good on ya Pman. Now I expect to see some nice silver posted from you.

 

Thanks to everyone for great comments, and much helpfull information. Its a real pleasure to know you all! Hopefully more and more collectors will join up and share coins /banknotes....the more the merrier.

 

Certainly a nice coin, yours is not spectacular judging from the very washed out photo making it hard to tell if that is texture in the reverse surfaces. It is nicer than mine of the type and the easiest Rome mint Philip II to find in nice shape. Below is an Eastern mint antoninianus of Philip II as Augustus. I doubt you will be in the market for one like this for a long time since there are a thousand other non-gold coins I'd recommend befor a second Philip II.


As pointed out above, the radiate crown means 'double'. There is a very rare Roman double aureus called Binio which I'm surprised you have not sought out for your gold collection.
https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=43829

More common is the use of the crown for a double as or Dupondius which you might look at as half a sestertius as well. There is also a much less common radiate crowned double sestertius only issued by a couple rulers. My Trajan Decius is a junker but you could get a nice one for what you pay for aurei. Most people who collect aurei and move to another denomination would probably go into sestertii rather than antoniniani.


The use of the radiate crown became uncommon in the Late Roman period and is ignored by most collectors when naming coins because we are simply ignorant of all of the details of denominations after c.300 AD. Below is a late use on a coin of Licinius I rated at 12 1/2 denarii of account but for which I have no name better than AE3 based on its diameter. It dates to a time that Licinius was playing with the values of the coins and may have had a meaning but not the same meaning as the coins of a generation earlier.


I do not know whether the ruler ever wore such a crown but I doubt it. Most interesting to me are the ones where the emperor wore a helmet with the crown over top of it. I really doubt that this was common attire in any event. Probus:


I end here with evidence that there are wondrous radiate binios like this Tacitus waiting for you if you decide to collect gold instead of silver.
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=584293

 

The more, the merrier is what I always say as well ... ummm, until they start bidding-on my coin targets!!



I happen to have two "bronze" Philip-II examples ... wanna see 'em?


Philip II (as Caesar) Sestertius




Philip II, Moesia Inferior, Marcianopolis, Æ Pentassarion




Oh, and I learned today that the first example is most likely an Imperial and the second snake-sweetie is a Provincial (old dog, new trick)

 

Thanks Doug, for a great writeup/excellent photos, very informative. That photo was from auction site, this coin, plus a AV 2 Escudos From Spain (Ferdinand VII 1822 Barcelona Mint) are somewhere between Madrid and my place in Orleans/Ontario! I noted your AV Binios they are very nice, hopefully will have one or two in future. I have definately learned a lot from collectors like you and others who are part of this forum.
John

 

Great coin panzerman! (All of your coins are super!) Yes, ants of this period are indeed an inexpensive way to collect some beautiful, large Roman silvers of high fineness, excellent artistry, and good craftsmanship. Here is a plate of various Gordian III ants...

 

Well, I guess it would be rude of me not to at least post a 'Provincial' Billon Tet from Antioch of Phil II:

 

excellent captures! I have a little collection here...