Will NGC grade my toner?

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It's okay, thousands of PCGS customers make the same mistake all the time.

 

the tone is not appealing I would not waste my money

 

Or you don't understand the toned market at all and as we've seen if you don't approve it's time to crusade against it

 

I understand, that's so true , but if it's for yourself , like I said and you feel its worth it then . get it graded to me I don't see it being worth it

 

That's why grading is an subjective to the person viewing , and concenus grading is now .used. On some pieces.

 

And that's why I said bottom line if you feel its worth the 12-18$$$+ shipping then go for it

 

Glad to see you understand. You're making progress. Good for you. Keep it up and your mommy will be so proud. I understand the toned market is nuts. (And I've spoken to quite a number of major players in this field who agree wholeheartedly - and I'm talking about major names everybody knows.)

You see, I'm a collector, (remember us?) who doesn't even "vest pocket" and don't need CoinTalk as part of my pump and dump marketing plan and strategy. How about you?

 

It's no different than any other aspect of the market. If you want a coin with a certain look you only have so many to choose from just like people looking for the best of the best only have so many options. That means they get premiums.

As for the reference earlier for the toned ASEs getting gaudy grades, more often than not the opposite is true. MS 66-68 is not a good grade for ASEs which the toners often get, but they aren't being purchased for their grade anyway its the look those collectors want.

You should be less judgemental of how other people collect. You don't have to like or agree with what they collect, but it isn't your collection so it really doesn't matter.

 

Serious question, @baseball21: How much of those 66-68 grades is due to the production methods of the early ASE's (and/or their dies) and how much is due to the toning? I ask only because all anyone has to do is look at a Dansco with a one-a-year ASE collection and the production method change years fairly jump out at you. The last few years, you almost have to TRY to get under an MS69. It doesn't look that way earlier.

IOW, when the recent ones get old enough to have acquired non-suspicious toning, do you think the grades will hold up or no?

 

Going through their population report prior to 2003 70 grades for them were very hard to get. 69s were still pretty common though and the vast majority that were sent in fell in the 68-69 range. From 2003-2008 70s weren't the extreme percentage rarities they were before but still wouldn't be something you expected. As an example in the PCGS pop they have about 12k 70s, but about 360k in 68/69. The follow year was when 70s became almost expected and really had a massive increase. It definitely is true now that you either got the worst monster box ever or are doing it wrong if you consistently get below a 69 on them.

Even with those numbers it is hard to say if that is truly representative of the quality given bulk submitters can designate a minimum grade of 69 or lower where coins that don't meet that grade don't get slabbed plus smaller submitters bias to only send in their best.

Some of the grade limitatons on the toners very well could be production quality, in my opinion though they are more hesitate to assign a top pop grade to a toner for ASEs.

That's an interesting question. Obviously only time will tell but if the current grading climate continues I think we will see the toners grades creep up from that 67-68 range and start seeing more 69s, but I do believe the percentage of 70s will be lower than we see in the general ASE population.

The tricky part is then figuring out do we think that is a bias against ASE toners or is that just a grading bias with how they're submitted. Obviously you can't send in a monster box of toners so they go in small groups. With recent monster boxes we are already preconditioned that a certain percentage should/will be 70s making the grade more likely, whereas if someone shows up a single ASE or a couple ASEs there is no belief that there should be a 70 with numbers that small.

 

Don't give up yet. As we all know from the endless streams of threads asking "how did I do?" Coin collectors in general but many forum members are famous for spending money on coins that they know nothing about or have any idea what they are worth. You might get lucky and sell to one of those people. In that case, all bets are off and you might reap the rewards.

A coins worth (read value) is only determined after it's sold.

 

Thank you so much for your well thought out response. Muchly appreciated. These are the kinds of questions that plague me about coins.

We need to be constantly aware that .999 silver is far more reactive to sulfur-containing gases than .900 is, so we should reasonably expect "real" toning to appear sooner than on "coin silver" issues.

 

I'm saying no. It's an ase. It's hard enough to get a straight grade on a toned walker or Morgan But who knows. If it was mine it wouldn't. Good luck

 

It's true the ASEs pick up color a lot faster than a lot of people would think is possible. I misplaced one for about 2 months and it had already picked up some colors, the right conditions and I would believe a few months to a year is all that is needed if that long.

I do think the OPs should straight grade, I just don't think NGC will given their current opposition to them with how many get hit with AT by them.

 

Some of my eagles in my dansco have started to tone. So I don't know why they are so hard on them.

 

Exactly. They have to know. It's like they have a deal with pcgs or something.

 

My best guess is it is just their way of washing their hands of the situation knowing that people do try and find favorable environments to help the toning along. If that or anything similar is the case I still don't understand why that logic wouldn't apply to other harder to tone series as well.

 

It should grade. It looks consistent with normal storage - I see nothing unusual about this coin. NGC has a reputation for refusing to slab toned ASEs because many of them have wild, irregular, and unusual toning - and a large percentage of those are AT'd. I have seen many toned ASEs in NGC slabs.

The better question is, why would you want to?