1878cc Die break

Thank you for viewing this coin, sir please go back into this post and read the physical description described under 40 power magnification, the two chips that I'm referring to are original they are not something stuck to the coin especially the one under the L in liberty, I know the photos not the best quality. I can only go by my personal observation, that the retain pieces of metal in the coin, or actual pieces of that coin, sir I'm not a big fan of slab coins, but I definitely would like to have a professional look at this coin, like I did mention be four, the photos are not the best. and to make professional assessment of this coin you must personally be able to examine the exact coin not a photo, especially these photos of pour quality, I'm sure you'll agree with me on this. And I have personally taking a hard plastic pick an attempted to do what you suggested and found that both pieces of metal is firmly attached to the coin. I attempted to contact the cherry pickers for submission, with no luck. Dave informed me that you are the man, I am just a blue collar coin collector, and can only describe what I visually see, visually the retain chips look exactly like the retained die cud on the Lincoln cent. And as stated before the retained chip under the L still retains part of the hair design, to accurately give an assessment of this coin you must personally and visually inspect this coin. And to quote a old phrase, you have to see it to believe it physically.

 

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I have managed to get my amscope microscope camera working, I hope these photos can help out.

 

This is one of the coins I originally join coin talk to find out as much information on this coin as possible. We managed to get to a vam 2a. With the wealth the knowledge on this site still nobody has come up with answers on the retained chips. I agree my search my skills are lacking but I haven't even been able to find anything about retained chips in any other Morgans this one is still on the top of my list. Well when I pay off my first mortgage and have a little extra money I'll send it in to be graded hopefully not slab and to the one member I give thanks for your help but your friend never got back to me he was supposed to be checking out the retained chips \V/

 

Send it to messydesk. He needs to see it in hand to tell you the specifics of this coin. I know you don't like to do this but it's the only way to be certain at this point weather it's nothing or a later die state of vam 2a. Thing is, messys charge is $6 + return shipping, and shipping to him obviously so if money is tight you may have to put this girl on the shelf for a while

 

Yes, I'd need to see it in person. @usmc60, when and where did you serve in the Marine Corps?

 

Unofficially what do you think? A lot of questions need to be answered before I send it off. One good example you would not ensure a multi-million-dollar coin for $500 I know I wouldn't I understand totally about hands-on examination for authentication actually I insist over photo identification but I need to know what I'm dealing with here I would like to find out what I have before I submit it for authentication. See my dilemma hope you'll understand answer to my service camp swab Okinawa in the 70s usmc

 

Unofficially, my gut feeling is that something is stuck to the coin, and that if I were to dab it with a solvent like acetone (which will not harm the coin), it would loosen. The slight discoloration compared with the surrounding part of the coin is giving me this feeling. I would examine it under a stereo microscope, which gives a much better story of the coin's surface than a digital scope picture does.

If money is an issue, I'm currently running a special. Free attribution and PCGS grading (if you want it), including return shipping, for one 1878-CC Morgan for the first USMC veteran who served in Okinawa in the 70s who responds to my offer. All you pay is shipping to me. My submission form is at http://varslab.com, click on VAMSlab and you'll find a link to the submission form.

 

@usmc60... @messydesk is being quite generous. PLEASE send it to him. He's not only willing to authenticate the variety for you but he will also get it into a pcgs graded slab for you if it's not a details coin. He is one of "the big boys" in our industry and your coin will be very safe in hid hands... for the small cost of only mailing him the coin you will get alot in return. Such a gracious offer from the mess-man!

John, you had me going for a hot second as I may have a couple to include on your next bulk lol

 

Sir I gladly accept your offer but as a Marine I will pay you for your services like anyone else. I will go to the link and start making arrangements to get this off to you

 

Good call usmc! I can see why holding off on sending a homestead to James if money is a
an issue but with this you'll know exactly what you have and exactly what it's worth. And if it comes back pl/dmpl all the better. Plus if you want to or need to sell her if times get really tight you will easily be able to do so and get more money out of it. This is not a simple homestead

Btw, if I may ask where did you come across her, on one of you "coin fishing" trips?

 

Back in 2002 up in Seattle I was out fishing for silver to spike my wheat pennies. I found they sell a lot faster if you add a little silver to each bag and a couple of Indian heads it's tough to get rid of 5000 pennies at 500 pennies a bag but I did and actually made a profit. Back to the lady while in my neighborhood fishing hole the owner of the coin shop I was in new I was looking for a Carson City Morgan he just recently purchased this from someone who came into his store they evidently inherited it from a recent death in the family. And being a regular customer he offered it to me at his cost, which at the time was extremely reasonable for this lady. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it) PS I'm fully aware of the consequences of having this lady graded since 2002 without being graded this lady has increased in value by $400 will see what happens after being graded. Then you may want to frame this quote because I rarely talk about the monetary value of a coin in reality what you're selling is only worth what somebody's willing to pay thanks for your help \V/

 

Continuation from the other coin. You mentioned retain cud and a brief definition why would you not consider the same definition for the chip ? \V/

 

Because a die chip is usually a sudden event. A weak point that after X amount of strikings chips off. There really isn't stages to becoming a die chip. It just happens. But there can be stages where a die chip can get larger. Think lincoln BIE's. However sometimes part of a die crack can chip away then you have what looks like a die crack with a "blob" looking die chip in the middle of it. Like I said a retained cud is called that because the piece of the die (a crack that went from rim to rim) didn't break away when it should have or just wasn't ready to yet. A die chip already lost a piece of the die (a very small piece) so I ask you... what is "retained" about a die chip when it's already chipped away?... get it? There is nothing "retained" about a die chip, the tiny piece of the die already broke off and away

 

I don't know I have quite a few examples of pre-signs of a chip on the surface of a coin by fractures the metal has not broke away from the die yet but it indicates by the fractures that this die will soon have a chip or if it's big enough a die break I'm sure over the years you have seen this quite often but do not think much of it and a good example of this would be the kisatchie quarter this quarter you can almost track the progression of a chip from the disfigurement in the surface metal to fracture lines all becoming chips . But yes I do agree sometimes the piece of metal falls away from the die creating a chip the same for a cud. Like I said will know in a couple weeks what one opinion is. Until then how would you have listed these three whatever's ? \V/

 

Well I'm not an expert in minutiae like this. Heck, I could be wrong or slightly off. Maybe @SuperDave can explain it with more expertise if he's around.

What "three whatevers" are you talking about?

 

The three whatever's I was referring to the die cracks with retained pieces of surface metal again how would you of listed this coin ? The backlash on this listing was a piece of cake compared to the snow on the roof that was my first thread and I believe this was my second and at that time I had been out of the game for a while due to my stroke and I disagreed with a lot of definitions and terms and still do. But I will say there has been some changes made that I'm learning about and may not agree with them completely but it is a start to change, Sometimes it's easier to go with the flow than to try to keep swimming upstream \V/

 

They are die chips plain and simple, at least the nose is. Let's see what messydesk says about the rest after he gets it in hand... how would I list it? Tentatively... "1878cc vam 2A. Die chip on nostril & doubled liberty"

 

You would not mention three circular die cracks with what looks like retained surface metal along with die cracks from letter to letter on the reverse, it just seems strange to me to leave out the most important error of the coin and you're right I am curious to see what messydesk says. I always knew it was a vam 2A and that there were a lot of them out there but what I noticed no information on the three cracks if I'm not mistaken that's what makes this one an oddity at least for me \V/

 

No, I wouldn't.

 

I may not understand but I do respect your thoughts. \V/