Countermark or Banker's mark?

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  1. RaceBannon

    RaceBannon Member

    Nice one Bing! Rag top no less. And a GT to boot. Sweet! I bet that car gets a lot of thumbs up and stares when you drive her around town.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It's a beauty, and, at the moment, requires no work. This is the third, but my favorite was the first. Brittany Blue with a black interior. Sold it to an Irishman who shipped it back to Ireland and almost immediately crashed it. Complete total. What a shame.
     
  4. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Although I'm not into ancient cars, I can appreciate them : nice ones folks !
    May I go back to banker's marks now ?

    Here's the only one I could find through my gallery. The picture isn't the best (coin in hand is gorgeous) but you can clearly see the banker's mark at the bottom of the neck

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    Julius Caesar, Denarius Denarius minted in North Africa in 46 BC
    COS TERT / DICT ITER, head of Ceres right
    AVGVR / PONT MAX, simpulum, sprinkler, capis and lituum, D in right field
    3,81 gr
    Ref : HCRI # 57, RCV # 1403/1, RSC # 4a, Cohen # 4

    Q
     
  5. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Carthago, does Crawford have anything useful to say about banker's marks?

    There are a very, very few Roman tesserae that have what are clearly proper countermarks, but there's also a few that have what more closely resemble what we usually call banker's marks. I'm tentatively calling them countermarks because they clearly don't fit the bill for checking metal purity. This one has 'VI' stamped to the lower left on the reverse.

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    ROME
    PB Tessera (19mm, 3.23 g, 12h)
    Charioteer driving quadriga right, raising whip in right hand
    Palm frond; c/m: VI
    Rostovtsev 722; Rostovsev & Prou 156; Kircheriano 1169-70; BM 1389-90; Milan 127. Countermark unlisted

    Ex Artcoins Roma 23 (17 February 2015), lot 584

    In contrast, countermarks are a bit more normal on tesserae from Asia Minor.

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    IONIA, Ephesos. Marchos, grammateus of the Boule.
    PB Tessera (18mm, 8.88 g)
    MAR ΓP BOV, composite head of Silenos facing right and young horned Pan facing left; c/m: bird (stork?) standing right
    Blank
    Gülbay & Kireç –; Vossen 42 (this coin)

    Ex Tom Vossen Collection, 42​
     
  6. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

  7. RaceBannon

    RaceBannon Member

    Nice panzerman! Even a Ford guy can respect that old Vette! ;)

    What year is that, 64?
     
  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Chevy? YUK!!!!!
    Actually, nice car. Is it all stock?
     
  9. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the link to info on cm's and cs'. I'll send one later on.

    Cheers,
     
  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Here is my sweet summer-ride => TREK 8-Series (hardtail)

    2009 Trek 8500.jpg
    ... oh, but now it even has pedals on it ...


    :rolleyes:
     
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  11. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

  12. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    I'm not sure and I don't have access to my library right now to check.
     
  13. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    More bankers marks for the thread.


    Brutus Quinarius CNG 3-2012.jpg Brutus Denarius 503-1 Cederlind NYINC 2013 PS.jpg


    Octavian RIC 251 Kunker 2014.jpg


    Marc Antony & Domitius Ahenobarbus Denarius CNG 5-2012.jpg
     
  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Ooops, I almost forgot => I have a couple more to toss-into the thread ...


    An interesting neck design ...
    c hosid a.jpg c hosid b.jpg

    Cool marks on the obverse & reverse

    bull siglos.jpg
     
  15. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Looks familiar! Here's mine:

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    Still a little to chilly to comfortably ride here. (I'm lazy and don't want to buy any extra equipment.)
     
  16. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Sweet coins with bankers marks and a great link!!!

    LOVE those 'muscle cars' !!! The closest I HAD was keeping my 1971 Challenger on the road LOL....I picked it up in Brooklyn when I rotated (new) after putting in an order with an Australian salesman while in Thailand...

    I can't even imagine the expense involved with vintage restorations. Congrats guys, you all have me extremely jealous!!
     
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