So I purchased a MS69 Somalian silver round. I paid a premium. Not that that matters here. I bought the coin for sentimental reasons. That being said does this effect the grade of the coin? Do these spots appear after it was graded or was it graded with the milk spots.
They absolutely can appear after grading, and while I assume this is the case, I also doubt anyone is going to be able to tell you, simply from photos, when they reared their ugly heads. If you genuinely bought a coin for sentimental reasons, who cares if you paid a premium (as long as one you can live with) or what any of we schmoes may think. Your hobby is your hobby.
A picture would help lol but they usually appear if there is some sort of small debris attached to the coin that causes it to get the spots over time
They absolutely can appear after grading, and while I assume this is the case, I also doubt anyone is going to be able to tell you, simply from photos, when they reared their ugly heads. If you genuinely bought a coin for sentimental reasons, who cares if you paid a premium (as long as one you can live with) or what any of we schmoes may think. Your hobby is your hobby.
For future reference. While I'm just discovering these milk spots, I'd still like to know how unappealing they are to fellow collectors and how they effect the value so I'll have a little more knowledge next time I'm dealing with them. I ask these questions to get everyone's opinion and not void answers. P.S. You have 0 best answers smarty pants
I know alot of people have different causes of milkspots - BUT real milkspots on silver coins come from detergent wash that is not washed away and then "baked" into their surfaces - Can't get rid of them! I returned PCGS MS 69 ASE's with milk spots as I think they are horrible looking and I never could figure out how they can grade a coin with them on it!!
And for future reference, when someone takes the time to answer your posts, try to at least pretend to be appreciative, even if they didn't hit on everything asked. I didn't touch on value mostly because the subject coin is not one I'm familar with, which seemed the proper approch, but if generalized responses are what you seek.... ask yourself this: if you have a choice between a spotted coin and a clean one, which would you choose, even if the latter was priced slightly higher? I'm guessing you'd still take the latter, and is exactly how most feel about it. Milk spots are ugly and distracting, so it's probably safe for you to assume they're not popular. As for how they "effect value", no one is going to be able to platter you an exact percentage that fits across the board.
IMO, This poster gave you and excellent answer to your first question. The "who cares" part is also true as you bought it because you liked it. Unfortunately, if you had not started name calling and asked for more info, I'll bet he would have satisfied you. Now, consider yourself lucky if anyone does INCLUDING ME. Signed, Smarty Pants Too
According to several posters there is at least one TPGS that will put anything into a holder.. Any "problems drop a grade."
If it was gold in color , it would be 'toning', if it was black, it would be 'corrosion', on rounds ( non monetary) or common bullion (ASE), it shouldn't matter one iota as to value. The grade is just artificial ( human ) manipulation on the significance of these types of material and only matters to those who value others opinions with grading.
Milk spots are a non-natural alteration to the surface of a coin - completely unrelated to the natural process called either toning or tarnishing depending on the opinion of the writer - plainly the fault of improper planchet treatment/preparation on the part of the striking mint. A failure, plain and simple, and a detractor from both eye appeal and value. They normally appear early - sometimes even prior to leaving the mint - but can appear months or years down the road, if anecdotal data is to be believed. Yes, PCGS will grade milkspotted coins. It's mentioned specifically in their grading standards for eye appeal. Here's a case I've no doubt was spotted when PCGS got it - I'm leaving the images as large as I can so you can clearly see the technical merit of the coin greatly exceeds the MS67 it received, and was downgraded for the spotting: All the scratches on the reverse were on the slab. It was, in my opinion, a slam-dunk technical 69 and I've seen worse in PCGS 70 slabs aside the spotting. It should have received an Environmental Damage Details grade or a bodybag (which is what they did when it was slabbed). If anyone's ever noted my disgust with TPG slabbing practices, well, here's one of the reasons.
I do disagree, since if it was such, it would be visible upon minting, whereas most show up after a period of time, where the same natural processes that occur in toning/corrosion have had time to act on them. What could be more natural than that? Also most usually have a regular 'spot' like shape, even after the high pressure, metal moving minting process has occurred, whereas if they were just remnants of detergent /rinse material, I would expect most to be highly irregular when they appear, as they would follow the flow of surface metal. JMHO. Jim
I missed this little addition.. testy little thing, aren't we? I'm not quite sure what set off the crying this time, but you're probably right... I don't, but if my participation here was based only on a desire for a meaningless label or likes, I'd ban myself for being criminally shallow. I also hate to break it to you, but not all so-called "best answers" are indeed the best answer, and in fact, on at least one occasion that I can recall was actually wrong. Being as I'm such an idiot I'm sure you'll ignore this, but due to your inability to play nice, one more quick and friendly recommendation....Mr. Google is your friend, and likely one that has a few, since it's so important to you, "best answers" out there somewhere. With minimal effort you could have easily discovered the answer to if milk spots can, ahem, "effect" a grade, and even how they can or may affect value. Try it sometime... but do undertand that even the almighty google may not answer every question posed exactly how you want, or tell you only what you want to hear. Unfortunately, that's life.
There's a lot of solid logic in that; we really don't know what exactly causes them. I'm honestly astonished that nobody's done any destructive analysis (if destruction is necessary) to determine the specific chemical composition of those white areas. That information would likely be enough to form a reasonable theory as to their origin. Milkspotting goes back to 1921 Morgans and Peace Dollars that I'm sure of, and possibly earlier. In those issues, their propagation often looks just like a rinse running off the coin, which may be the source of the "current wisdom" regarding them.
