Elis Stater with crystalized surfaces

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  1. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Here is an interesting Elis stater with surfaces that are crystalized (or otherwise transformed) into a pattern that is apparent when magnified. I love coins from Elis and was excited to find this one.

    Elis Stater 2a.jpg

    Elis, Olympia. 110th Olympiad. 340 BC. AR Stater (11.76 gm, 24mm). Hera mint.
    Obv.: head of Hera left, wearing ornamented stephanos.
    Rev.: Eagle standing left, wings folded, within wreath.
    Seltman, Temple 339 (dies FF/ιτ); BCD Olympia 155 var. (same obv. die, eagle right); BMC 133 (same dies); Jameson 1243 (same dies). Very rare.

    This is a pretty big image, which helps to see the surface pattern. Not sure what the forum software will do to it. :)

    Please post your coins from Elis or those with crystallized or otherwise interesting surfaces.

    John
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Pretty coin all around.
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Nice Olympic stater! Someday I hope to get that denomination for my Elis "set".

    I like showing these to non-coin friends because they have at least heard of the place :D.

    Steve is surely warming up his clicking finger. He loooooves his crystalized fractionals!

    I too love coins of Elis. As for crystalization, it can be lovely in its own right. All of my Elis coins have at least some reticulation.

    Olympic parade:

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    ELIS, Olympia. 87th Olympiad, 432 BCE
    AR hemidrachm, 16 mm, 2.7 gm
    Obv: eagle, with wings displayed above, flying left, holding hare by its back and tearing at it with his beak
    Rev: thunderbolt, with wings above and volutes below, within circular incuse; to right, A.
    Ref: BCD Olympia -; BCD Peloponnesos -; SNG Copenhagen -; BMC -; Traité -; SNG Delepierre -; Pozzi -; Weber -; McClean -. The obverse type, combined with the form of the thunderbolt, with its broad, splayed wings, and the A on the reverse, is most similar to the stater of BCD 50.

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    ELIS, Olympia. 95th Olympiad, 400 BCE
    AR hemidrachm, 16 mm, 2.6 gm
    Obv: head and neck of eagle right; F below
    Rev: thunderbolt, volutes above, wings below, F-A across fields
    Ref: BCD Olympia 85/84 (same dies); SNG Copenhagen 372

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    ELIS, Olympia. 103rd Olympiad, 368 BCE
    AR drachm, 21 mm, 5.7 gm
    Obv: head of Hera right, wearing pendant earring and stephane ornamented with palmettes with H-R-A inscribed between them, [F-A across fields]
    Rev: eagle with spread wings standing left, head reverted
    Ref: Pozzi 1846 (same dies); Jameson 1240 = Seltman pl. xii, 8 (same dies); BMC 91 (same dies); BCD Olympia 113 (same dies)

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    ELIS, Olympia. 107th-108th Olympiad, 352-348 BCE
    AR hemidrachm, 14 mm, 2.4 gm
    Obv: laureate head of Zeus right
    Rev: eagle standing right, olive leaf before, F-A across fields
    Ref: BCD Olympia 143-44; SNG Copenhagen 420; BMC 84; Dewing 1896; McClean 6637; SNG Delepierre 2158

    And a couple of very reticulated coins:

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    MACEDON, uncertain
    c. 500 BCE
    AR trihemitetartemorion (trihemiobol), 6 mm, 0.28 gm
    Obv: monkey squatting left
    Rev: round shield or pellet within incuse square
    Ref: "Uncertain Thraco-Macedonian Coins, Part II", Nomismatika Khronika (1998, Tzamalis), 67

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    IONIA, Klazomenai
    499-494 BC

    AR diobol, 9mm, 1.2 g
    Obv: forepart of winged boar left
    Rev: incuse square
    Ref: Cf. BMC 9-10 (drachm); cf. Traité I 488 (drachm). VF, toned, porous. Very rare with boar left, apparently unpublished as a diobol
     
  5. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Very nice coins, TIF!

    I love the monkey, those are pretty unusual on ancient coins.

    :)
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Love all these coins!
     
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  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    The OP and TIF's posts are just wonderful!!! I'd love to own any of them!!!

    I'm missing any 'Elis' types, but I believe these show some crystallization or at least some 'unusual' surface conditions (honest wear LOL):

    Byzantion, Thrace, AR Tetradrachm, 240-200 BC.
    Ptolemaic Kingdom, Alexandria, AR Tetradrachm,Cleopatra VII, 51-31 BC



    1000-33-027 Thrace, Byzantion.jpg cleo VII with ptolemy I Tet.jpg
     
  8. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Awesome John, just awesome!
     
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  9. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    @TIF Awesome photos!!!
     
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  10. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Reticulation. I had to look that up. Great word!

    That is an interesting phenomenon and I don't think you see it on Roman coins like you do Greek. I could be wrong with that. I used to own this Tetradrachm of Phillip II that had reticulated surfaces, and quite frankly, that is one of the things that really drew me to the coin originally. It reminds me of the surface of an old oil painting.

    Philip II Tetradrachm CNG 5-2007.jpg
     
  11. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Simply beautifull! Like I said before, to bad they make them like that anymore, probably why we are collecting the ancients, for their sheer beauty, history and the knowledge we are looking at masterpieces produced so long ago....
     
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  12. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    You no longer own it??? Someone must have made you 'an offer you couldn't resist'....because it's a WONDERFUL coin. Hmmm, did a Mr. Corleone offer to buy it from you???o_O;)
     
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  13. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    At a glance I thought it was a die match to mine but it's not. Very similar style though, and mine also has some reticulation.

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    KINGS OF MACEDON, Philip II. 356-336 BCE
    AR tetradrachm. 24mm, 14.20 gm, 12h
    Pella, 342-336 BCE
    Obv: Laureate head of Zeus right
    Rev: ΦIΛIΠ-ΠOY, youth, holding palm and reins, on horseback right, thunderbolt below, N in exergue
    Ref: Le Rider 222-306. SNG ANS 385-95
    ex Colosseo Collection
     
  14. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Nice example! I hope you keep it forever, I would. Great photography/description to....way better then mine.
     
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  15. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nice find Theo! I also like those finely-patterned surfaces you occasionally find on ancient silver.
     
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  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I own no coins from Elis, and those shown are very desirable. I do own this Caligula with crystallized surfaces. Caligula 4.jpg
     
  17. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    I sold 90% of my coins that weren't Roman Republicans, to free up resources for the RR monkey on my back! I've still got a handful of non RR that are special to me for one reason or another and I have kept.
     
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  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I've thought about doing the very same thing. But thinking is as far as I've gotten.
     
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  19. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Come to think of it, I've got a couple Elis issues too. I bought them for my kids because they happened to be in an CNG auction when we were on a trip that took us to Olympia. Being kids, they didn't really care about the coins or Olympia but I've kept them anyway because they are special to me.

    ELIS, Olympia. 87th-90th Olympiad. 432-420 BC. AR Hemidrachm (2.60 g, 3h). Eagle standing right, head left, on prey; c/m to right of geometric pattern / Thunderbolt, with volutes above and wings below, within circular incuse. BCD Olympia 55.

    Elis Olympia Hemidrachm  87th - 90th Olympiad CNG.jpg

    ELIS, Olympia. 134th-143rd Olympiad. Circa 244-208 BC. AR Drachm (4.94 g, 7h). Eagle, with wings displayed above, flying right, holding hare by its back and tearing at it with his beak / Thunderbolt, with double volutes above and wings below; A to left, P to right. Elis Hoard group IV; BCD Olympia 258.

    Elis Olympia Stater 134th - 143rd Olympiad CNG.jpg
     
  20. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Bing, gee I really feel bad! I don't have any coins from Elis, or the Emperor Caligula! But on the bright side, getting pleasure from looking at yours and the rest of the gang.
     
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  21. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    My other stater of Elis that I posted before. This is supposed to be 1 of 3 known, the other 2 are in museums. This one has totally smooth surfaces I like to think came from a person carrying this coin as a keep sake from attending the Olympics, possibly as an athlete.

    elis stater 1.jpg

    I also have a drachm:

    elis drachm 1.jpg

    I need to dig up the descriptions on these.

    John
     
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