Term....Unc.....hairlines

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by panzerman, Mar 31, 2016.

  1. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    This term is used a lot by third party grading experts. I have looked it up, asked numismatists, I seem to get a different answer about what the term "hairlines' means. Anyone have the definative on this? So far most have told me its tiny scratches on coin surface caused by faulty dies, others 'bagmarks', uneven die surfaces????
    John
     
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  3. ken454

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  4. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Thanks Ken, that explains it pretty well.
    John
     
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  5. cpm9ball

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    If you stick around these forums long enough, you'll begin to understand why some terms begin to morph into others because the people using them fail to acknowledge the correct term for the sake of expedience. Note: This happens everywhere, but I am just using these forums as an example.

    For example, a coin that is missing some of the letters or numbers because of a "grease-filled die" will become a "greased die" and eventually a "greaser". Now, get these same people to explain how this anomaly occurs, and you can eventually become confused by all of the different answers.

    FWIW, I consider hairlines to be detracting marks left by some foreign material that is rubbed across the surface of a coin(PERIOD)

    But, that's just my opinion!

    Chris
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    As I've always known it, a hairline is a small scratch mark, most likely to be hidden by toning, especially darker toning and caused by cleaning.
     
  7. Insider

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    :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

    You get what you pay for. Why not call either ANACS or ICG and ask to speak with a grader? You'll have more success here than at the other two. Do it Now.
     
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  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Can you actually do that?
     
  9. cpm9ball

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    Yes, there are some people who will attempt to hide hairlines by artificially toning a coin, but toning has nothing to do with how the hairlines occurred.

    Chris
     
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  10. Insider

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    Yes. Depending on your question (one that cannot be answered by a clerk) you will get passed up the line until you get satisfaction. Some TPGS graders are more likely to take the calls. Over the years, I've gotten through to graders at every service at one time or another.

    Challenge :troll: (this should edited:lnguage bunch of professionals at TPGS's off): Call each of the major services. I would even include SEGS in this "customer service test" as you'll probably get a grader there before one of the top two. Ask this question: "I got a coin back graded "Uncirculated Details" - "Hairlined" or whatever." Make them think that you are either a customer or you bought one of their coins. You may wish to do this test next week as I'll bet many of the graders are in Baltimore.

    I hope some of you try this and post the results.
     
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  11. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Will it take as much time as waiting on a reply on a medical question to an insurance company...don't know if I have that long to live...
     
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  12. Insider

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    I don't know the answer to that. I hope not! Guess it depends on how good your "story/question" is.
     
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  13. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Will it take as much time as waiting on a reply on a medical question to an insurance company...don't know if I have that long to live...
    Uh...did you phrase that correctly?
     
  14. Insider

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    (???)

    I think so...read it twice, changed what I wrote first; and read it again. I'm trying to say I hope you get an answer from the TPGS in a shorter time than you did from the insurance company.
     
  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I replied too quickly...all in fun
     
  16. Insider

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    QUOTE="Kentucky, post: 2387300, member: 33176"]I replied too quickly.[/QUOTE]

    I do it ALL the time. Mostly I give an opinion and then read I have just agreed with something already said/answered. :facepalm: :eggface:
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Gotta be careful about that, or first thing ya know you'll be agreeing so often you won't have anything to argue about anymore :D
     
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  18. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    On CoinTalk...surely you jest!
     
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  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Uhhhhh yeah, that's kinda what the Big Grin was meant to signify :)
     
  20. Insider

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    I just started a new contest called GTC. You are not allowed to play (BANNED) until tomorrow.
     
  21. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    The NGC article is on point. Doesn't that author work for ICG? I've read some other things by him, and he seems reputable. Why do dealers rewrite off ICG then?
     
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