How to Tone Coins

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kaparthy, Mar 27, 2016.

  1. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    Its unlikely this NJ Copper will ever see a TPG but perhaps in fifty years ... the goal here was to expedite its original toning ... of course part of the reasons is profit seeking ... no different than those gold coins found buried in that can in California. Do we leave them as is or expose them to a finely tuned ultrasonic cleaning process? <BG>.
     
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  3. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    A better example is ancient coins where most were buried and cleaning is commonplace on most examples.
     
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  4. Should the cauliflower be steamed, boiled or sautéed? :yuck: :vomit:
     
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  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ohhhhhhhh ! I almost clicked on it - almost :D
     
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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah I think so, but ya never know with Mike, he may have just been writing for informational purposes only. But the fact is none of us "know", all we can do is guess. Some might want to think about that.
     
  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    HE's BACK!!!:arghh:


    Absolutely true, and most of the OP is worthless and so....1950's. Post should read "HOW TO RUIN A COIN" :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

    AMEM! I cannot count the number of experiments I have done (that ruined some coins) while learning some "tricks" and how to detect AT.

    Yep! And you would be amazed at how many repairs are missed by both buyers and sellers.

    When a coin is "restored" PROPERLY or excellently repaired, it is undetectable to 98 % of you. The TPGS's will detect most repairs and altered surfaces; however, AT and restored copper is another thing entirely. There are well known methods to change a stripped, "pink" copper coin to an undetectable natural brown. It is all done chemically so NO evidence of cleaning is visible!

    AMEN!

    This technique is so "caveman." I know that some folks can do the job "pink to brown" in two weeks or less that is UNDETECTABLE and...Without seeing the NJ cent - probably better!
     
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  8. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Uh oh, insider's starting to get "colorful" again :watching:
     
  9. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    But I thought it died this morning :smuggrin:
     
  10. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Please don't edit my posts. And I respectfully disagree with your answer to my opinion. Once a coin has been cleaned, the surfaces have been altered. This doesn't make the coin less collectable, but it does make it less valuable and detectable to me with the coin in hand.
     
  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    It's hard to lay low and not "brighten up the site."
     
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  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    You didn't say "pretty please" so how is this:

    There is usually NO ORIGINAL SURFACE ON CIRCULATED COINS. I know you knew that yet, assuming a circulated coin has "original circulated surfaces - worn, not hairlined, etc. There is not a person I know who can detect a chemically "stripped" and restored copper coin (even under magnification as high as 80X - never looked with an electron microscope but someone will some day an publish their findings) IF THE RESTORATION GOT THE COLOR "RIGHT." In fact, getting the restoration correct on a circulated coin is FAR, FAR easier than on a coin with any remaining original mint luster.
     
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  13. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    PS The devil made me add this:

    Evidence of both mechanical/chemical cleaning exists in degrees. In my humble and very limited experience on CT, most posters do not understand this. They refer to any coin that has any amount of visible cleaning as "harshly cleaned." :wacky: It makes me cringe. :facepalm::arghh:
     
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  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    And that's close enough for me. It's the thought that counts. ;)
     
  15. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    This coin has full cartwheels, can you tell me what's wrong with it? image.jpg
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Insider I've been telling people for years that copper can be successfully - dipped, altered, retoned, artificially toned, etc etc etc - and they keep telling me I am crazy and don't know what I am talking about :rolleyes:

    So you might have a rough road to walk if you go that route :)
     
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  17. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    That's OK. I've been told that ignorance is bliss!
     
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  18. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    [​IMG]

    :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: It sure does and it's CORRODED and stained too!Thanks for the poster child for a coin not to purchase!

    Nice job - NOT. And if any TPGS certified this coin WITHOUT a details label they do not deserve to be in business! Just my opinion.
     
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    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

  20. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Is "fluff" something you know about to ruin large cents like this one? Please let us know...
     
  21. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    A lot of collectors I meet are perfectionist collectors or who buy in to this mindset that MS 68 is better than MS67 ... we see this now with coin highlights from the major auction houses in Coin World week after week ... so with this type of collector I can see how this will raise the blood pressure ... but for harshly cleaned circulated coins being restored ... and as we have seen my method is prehistoric ... as one commenter can do it it in two weeks in his opinion ... I applaud him ... but with these price differences AT is one thing in the MS range ... but restoring at the circulated level (G-XF) coins to me is a POSITIVE ... if done correctly.

    JPL
     
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