Aes Rude with symbols

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    An interesting Aes Rude, with two symbols punched into it, arrived today.
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    cast pieces 3.24.16 009.JPG
    Aes Signatum +

    Cast Aes Signatum or Aes Rude with symbols
    Central Italy, 4th to 2nd century BC
    Side 1 – 4 incuse lines punched to form an X or star with a dot in the middle
    Side 2 – incuse crescent, (, this one is a bit light and hard to see
    This piece looks like it was broken from a larger flat (semi flat) piece of uneven thickness.
    Dimensions: 17 X 21 X 11.5 mm
    Wt: 13.1 grams

    Similar pieces are listed in:
    Italian Cast Coinage, Vecchi #2.1, counterstamped or inscribed aes rude. Plate 1, #2.2; similar to NAC 7, 1994 # 282
    Haeberlin pg 4, #6 – 8
    Garrucci pg 37, pl 67 – 68

    I have one with a + on one side. I looked today and did not find anything on the other side.
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Super cool punch/symbol ... sadly, I don't know enough about these babies to ask any sort of interesting question (but thanks for posting and teaching me about these sweet examples)

    cheers, rrdenarius (I hope that this long Easter weekend treats you well)

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  4. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Defintiely cool!!! I'm trying to grab an example of a Aes Rude, unmarked as far as I can tell.

    I'd love a cast version, but the prices keep scaring me away LOL
     
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    @rrdenarius , I really LIKE that stamped Aes Rude! Wonderful specimen...
     
  6. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    I have a similar aes rude...Rectangular cast bronze; X stamped on one side, uncertain markings on the other.
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I LIKE that one too! Mine is a plain Rude with no markings.
     
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  8. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    I'm always quite skeptical of these early cast bronzes. I think that most appearing on the market today are from Spain, and date much later than they would in traditonal Republican coinage.
     
  9. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    I am a bit skeptical as well, which is why I bought from a vender with a lifetime guarantee, just in case future evidence shows their attribution to be incorrect. But I still like my coin a lot!:happy:
     
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  10. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I agree that there is no way on knowing if an item is genuine. If it was found at a recorded archaeological dig and properly recorded your chances would improve, but that is not the way most of the items in our hobby were found and maintained. The next best chance is to do some homework and see what an item should look like and buy from someone who seems honest. (Kinda like I thought F&S was an honorable company.) One of the first dealers who sold me an Aes Rude sent me the attached pic showing a find in his shop. He also suggested books: ICC by Veddhi, Aes Grave by Haeberlin and Le Monete Dell' Italia Antica by Garrucci.
    Bottom line, no way of knowing. I visited a small metal forge that made nick nacks. The smith said he could duplicate any patina I wanted.
    A Asta Aes collection IMG_1094.jpg
     
  11. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    Great display of your aes rude and bronze objects @rrdenarius! I especially like that ax head.
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Ditto on mine. Highly trust my source, and forever guaranteed.
     
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  13. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    I have never collected As rude but admire from afar. This is a great goup of postings. Thanks so much.
     
  14. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    A correction of my posting yesterday. I meant to type "group" rather than "goup". Sorry about that. My fingers don't work as well as they should.
     
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