C. Calpurnius Piso Frugi - Cicero's son-in-law

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  1. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    This is a well-worn but, to my eyes, still lovely coin from C. Calpurnius Piso Frugi's issue of denarii from 61 BC. It uses the same Apollo/horseman types of the massive 'Social War' issue of his father, L. Calpurnius Piso Frugi, from 90 BC, but there are some differences which can usually be used to tell the two series apart -

    90 BC issues : Wider, more rounded head of Apollo. L PISO FRVGI on reverse.
    61 BC issues : Longer and narrower head of Apollo, struck in high relief. C PISO LF FRVG on reverse.

    Coins of the earlier series were struck in the millions to fund the ongoing Social War, and are some of the most common of Roman Republican coins, and while I think everyone should own one of those, I still don't have one myself :oops:. This later series issued by the son are less plentiful, but still common. There are some very rare varieties, however, of which this is one, where Apollo's bust is left-facing and draped (as opposed to plain) and has a caduceus over its shoulder. The minor symbol bonus here : arrow randomly pointing down at the horseman. I can't explain why, but I just find that amusing :).

    Please feel free to share your denarii of either Calpurnius Piso Frugi!

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    ROMAN REPUBLIC
    C. Calpurnius Piso L.f. Frugi

    AR Denarius
    3.72g, 17.6mm
    Rome mint, 61 BC
    RBW 1481 (same dies); Babelon Calpurnia 29; Sydenham 876; C. Hersh, NC 1976, 439; Crawford 408/1b.
    O: Diademed and draped bust of Apollo left, caduceus over shoulder.
    R: Horseman, holding reins, on horse galloping right; ↓ above; C PISO LF FRVG below.

    Historical note on the moneyer : the great orator Cicero thought well enough of young Caius Piso Frugi to marry his beloved daughter, Tullia, to him in 63 BC. Of him, Cicero wrote, "it is scarcely possible to mention any one who was blessed with a finer capacity. He was constantly employed either in public speaking, and private declamatory exercises, or, at least, in writing and thinking: and, consequently, he made such a rapid progress, that he rather seemed to fly than to run." Caius was appointed quaestor in 58 BC, but apparently had died by 57 BC.
     
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  3. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Neat example, Zum!

    Here's mine. One earlier, one later. The later one is ex Haeberlin and cited in Crawford.


    L. Calpurnius Piso Frugi 340-1 Hirsch 2015.jpg

    C Piso Lf Frugi 408-1 Atlas 2015.jpg
     
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice coin Z!
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    L CALPURNIUS PISO FRUGI ROMAN REPUBLIC
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Laureate head of Apollo r., behind, point control, front, check letter
    REVERSE: Horseman galloping towards r., holding a palm branch, above, symbol, and below Piso Frvgi / check letter
    Struck at Rome 90 BC
    4.0g, 18mm
    Cr340/1, Sydenham 670d. bb/Calpurnia 11

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    L CALPURNIUS PISO FRUGI ROMAN REPUBLIC
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Laureate head of Apollo right, number LV behind
    REVERSE: Horseman galloping right, holding palm L PISO FRVGI below, ROMA monogram, number LXXII above
    Struck at Rome 90 BC
    3.75g, 18.4mm
    Cr340/1, Calpurnia 12
     
  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Those are lovely, and Haeberlin/Crawford... nice :).
     
  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Lovely coin, like the wear too it.
     
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  7. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    When I saw the obverse of Carthago's I was excited, "hey, I've seen that control-mark before". Then I was disappointed when I finally found a picture of mine, VIII instead of Carthago's XVIII. Nonetheless, here's my(much less awesome) example of the elder Calpurnius Piso Frugi:

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    AR Denarius(19.62mm, 3.9g), L. Calpurnius Piso Frugi, 90 BC, Rome Mint. Laureate head of Apollo right; "VIII" behind / L PISO FRVGI, Horseman, holding palm frond and reins, on horse galloping right; VI above, ROMA monogram below. Crawford 340/1, Sydenham 661, Calpurnia 12
    Ex. Joel Malter, March 29 1970
     
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  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Very sweet OP-addition, Z-Bro ... sure, it may be a bit worn, but it has a very cool and simple style (congrats)

    => I have one of those puppies as well ... my dude has a whip!! (whip it good!!)


    C. Piso L.f. Frugi AR Denarius
    61 BC
    Rome mint
    Diameter: 17 mm
    Weight: 3.73 grams
    Obverse: Head of Apollo right, hair bound with fillet; wreath behind
    Reverse: Horseman galloping right, holding whip
    Reference: Crawford 408/1b (O40/R56); Hersh, Piso 238 (O235/R2056); Sydenham 866; Calpurnia 24d
    Other: 6h, toned, porous surfaces, cleaning marks under tone
    From the Bruce R. Brace Collection

    c piso lf frugi.jpg C Piso lf frugi side aa.jpg C Piso lf frugi side a.jpg

    ... it may be a tad off flan, but it has super high relief!!
     
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  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Oh, and your OP-dude is facing "left" (another very cool style-point, my coin-friend)

    :rolleyes:
     
  10. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Yup, I really like the high relief on this issue. Pucker up, Apollo!...

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  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Nice one, Z! As @chrsmat71 might say, that's a fondler :)

    @Carthago, you never disappoint!

    Nice coins, everyone. I have neither early nor late Frugii :(
     
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  12. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    WONDERFUL POSTS!!!

    I agree 'Z', I think your OP denarius is lovely as well and for some reason I find that arrow amusing too LOL

    I'm still missing any example of the type, but not for lack of trying...

    Congrats ALL !!!
     
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  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=463760

    The arrow is Roman numeral L=50. The link above shows 62 with similar form for the L. Many L's look like upside down T's but this series has the arrow form. Between father and son, numbers, letters and minor type symbols there are hundreds of variations on this type. I agree the OP coin is a real beauty.
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/acmfrugi.html
    My three examples are nothing special and the page I wrote on them has been moved to the back pages of my site where I put things of lesser interest.
     
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  14. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Thanks, Doug... Arrow mystery = solved. I see now that Bing's second coin shows the L as an arrow too.
     
  15. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    cool lefty frugi Z!

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    i fondle this coin frequently.
     
  16. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    These Calpurnius Piso Frugi with caduceus (as here) or quiver over Apollo's shoulder are genuinely rare and desirable. As it happens, I have one also. Apologies for the photos; they were supplied by the vendor and I don't have better ones.

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  17. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    A few others:

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    Phil (85).JPG
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  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Of the coins shown in this thread, who among us noticed that only the two with caduceus and L had an obverse draped bust rather than head? I believe there is only one other with this bust.
     
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  19. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    And, not to spill the beans, but the coin Doug is asking about is related to the OP type in another way as well-- surely both are products of the same engraver.
     
  20. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Just WOW Volodya! :jawdrop:
     
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  21. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    I still don't have any of those, but they are high on the list : someday soon !
    Very attractive posts

    Q
     
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