Very rare 1/2 Dukat from Passau

Here is my AV1/2 Dukat 1709 Nurnberg Mint from Passau, A Bishopric in Southern Germany. Ruler Johann Philip, Graf Von Lamberg 1689-1712. GEM UNC

John

 

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Oh my - that is stunning. Keep sharing these ducats. Most of the designs are new to me since I focus mostly on crowns and medals.

 

Thank you! I will try my best. Just checked out Rauch Auction...Special selection 100 coins...April 16th. My God! there are many perfect 10/5 Dukaten from Leopold/Maria Theresia/Karl VI/Ferdinand III...mouth watering for sure. Stuff dreams are made of.....

 

A one year issue to commemorate the empty bishop's seat (sede vacante) after the death of the Prince Bishop of Passau, Joseph Dominicus Franz Kilian von Lamberg. Note the same last name as ruler on ducat. Zepernick 247. 44mm.

 

Beautifull Thaler. I think German States probably account for 1/4 of all World Silver/Gold coinage. And they all so interesting in designs. I recently saw in Kunker a vast collector of "mining Thalers" right upto massive 10 Thalers in silver, they sold for same price as most AV 10 Dukaten (50/100K) I only have ONE ten Zecchini=10 Dukaten from Papal States. I will take fotos and post it.

 

I reviewed the catalog for that sale at Kunker. Really extraordinary material. One reason I am drawn to the German States materials is the extensive variety of design across all denominations. After 12+ years of tinkering around in this area, I still see new designs and pieces on a weekly basis.

 

panzerman - how refreshing it is to have another collector of such great materials here. wcg and me and perhaps a couple of others have been the only ones posting Taler and related materials over the years. Please keep sharing and I will shift my attention to this forum.

 

I really love this hobby, but one thing that really sucks is that there is never enough $ to get the things I really want....like that amazingly striking 30 Dukaten 1678 Graz Mint Leopold I coin in next Rauch Auction. that thing weighs 98.75 grams, fair chunk of change in 1678.

 

Thank you.
I have to say, I am equally fascinated by all thing gold, up to 1970. I really like the Thalers too, esp. Holy Roman Empire material. I recently decided to get a Archduke Ferdinand Thaler, it was stempelglanz....looked fresh as day it was struck circa 1595! Like I said before, if I had Donald Trumps $.....I would get all those coins that I can only dream about....way better then running for political office.
John

PS: I will keep on posting material....

 

Maybe it was this one... its the finest I have handled - https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/WCM/CoinView.aspx?sc=430273

I focus on these solely - website www.taleruniverse.com

 

Nope. But as nice...

This one was not slabbed, just graded stempelglanz. I find it frustrating, that the modern coins mass produced by most Countries today cannot even come close to the artistic appeal of the coins made during 16th.19th Centuries. Today, we see those God awfull colored stuff, themes like Comic Book heros. No wonder, so many of us collect the older material. Look at the 1629 Bohemia AV 40/50/100 Dukaten commerating Ferdinand III as future Holy Roman Emperor....so nicely designed, right during the middle of the Thirty Years War to boot. Today, nothing comes close. Germany has not struck a beautifull coin design since Kaiser Wilhelm II! United States had the St. Gaudens design, which were outsatanding. FDR put an end to that in 1933, result 21 Trillion in debt.

 

Don't get us started with the dullness of current coinage. The Dukats are beautiful indeed as are Talers and commemoratives of that era. If one looks at wcg's set of Sede Vacante medal/Talers contrasted with today's coinage, it illustrates the decline.

Re Ferdinand - If it is as nice you should have bought it - I have looked at hundreds of this type in what the Europeans grade stempelglanz - they fall anywhere between 62-64 and generally "Prachtexemplar" would give you that extra bump in technical grade and eye appeal combined. I have seen many 62-63 of this type, fewer 64s and even fewer 65 (I have another in that grade). I thought this had a chance at 66 given the relative crispness of the strike - look at the armor details and reverse coat of arms. Common coin very choice grade.

 

There is a Leopold I 30 Dukaten Graz Mint in rauch April 20 Auction. I am German, but cannot read German. What does the term "Sammleranfertigung" mean?

John

 

Means "collector's copy"

 

Does "collectors copy" typically denote an official restrike or is it simply a counterfeit?

 

I have never run into that term here in the US just saw it mentioned in a past European auction catalog with English translation as such. Sounds like a restrike to me, yet perhaps a presentation piece if original?

 

It looks exactly like original, I know that the French made some "official restrikes" of the 1641 Ten Louis d'ors/ also the eight and six from Louis XIII. I know at the Triton XX "Adams Collection" sale there were some massive gold pieces that were in doubt, since it is very difficult telling the original from the restrike, since same dies were used. Kinda a dilemna for someone who paid over 100K for original.

 

Oh, one thing I am curious about. I have a few Proof sets. One is the 1969 Uganda Set comm. Pope Paul VI's visit to Kampala. This set has 4 AV coins, one a massive 4 OZ 1000 Schillings/ the 5 Silver ones, show oxidation slightly, even though I store them properly/ Now, I see so many Thalers from 500 years ago, that look freshly minted, perfect silver colour, no toning. How, in the heck did these guys keep their perfect lustre? I know with gold, thts normal, but silver?

 

... and leave the modern coins to people like me. Beauty - eye - beholder, hehe. Sure, those colored pieces and strange themes I am not interested in either. But older coins, especially those that were "presentation pieces" rather than everyday coinage, are like Louis Seize furniture or vintage cars for me: nice or even great to look at (so please keep posting your coins!), but I don't have to have them.

Christian

 

Really cool coin. You mention that it is "very rare." How rare are we talking about?

Are we talking "just sliced it off the cow" rare? "Been shown to the fire for a bit" rare? Or is this "Outback" rare, where it comes out more like medium?