1796 weight tolerance

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  1. jason1974

    jason1974 New Member

    Question, pulled a 1796 half cent with pole out of a bag of coins. Not convinced it is real everything i looked at said weight should be 5.44 grams and 23.50 diameter. This coin is 4.7 grams and 23.55 diameter. Any thoughts or help with this would be greatly appreciated thanks.
     
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  3. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    My initial feeling is that it's probably fake, just based on the weight. No amount of wear can reduce the weight of a coin by 10% without leaving a slug. Pictures would help.
     
  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    ditto on the pictures.
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Considering a 96 half cent would be a five figure coin usually, the chance of it being real is extremely small.
     
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  6. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    as fake as man boobies
     
  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Hey, mine are very real. Not as exciting as other perhaps, but still......
     
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  8. jason1974

    jason1974 New Member

    here are images i took with my phone. If u need higher resolution pics let me know and i will try to take better ones.

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  9. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    It's really rough but I can't see anything glaringly wrong. But I'm not an expert in these and I don't have any of my references with me hopefully someone who knows these better than me will chime in
     
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  10. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    The weight bugs me more than anything else. One possibility is that this is a GMM reproduction that has been worked to obscure the COPY stamp and then artificially corroded to obscure the work.
     
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  11. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Could be. Or could the damage and thd wear account for the weight loss. I'd love to see this in hand
     
  12. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    The alignment of the date looks right with the 9 low. Letters in Liberty look slightly small tho. Could be due to angle or corrosion. Positioning in comparison to the bust looks ok.
     
  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Comparing to other known examples it's got a chance. There's only one set of dies for this one. They also struck them on cut down large cent planchets the early coins could have some weight discrepancy especially copper
     
  14. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    It looks good enough to me that I'd at least show it to an early American copper specialist, if not send it in for certification.
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The variety details are right for the 96 with pole. I don't know where the gallery mint punched COPY on these (and they were consistent with the placement) but there looks like an unusual concentration of damage above the world HALF compared to the rest of the coin.
     
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  16. Ryan Barnhardt

    Ryan Barnhardt ICG Customer Service

    IMO, not a Gallery Mint product (I collect them) as their punch goes deeply into the design and is higher into the wreath. So, probably a fake due to weight and the "corroded surface" looks "artificial." Sorry I am unable to put this into words, you just need to see a lot of corroded coins.
     
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