ANA finds

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I made a quick trip from Houston to Dallas this weekend for the ANA. I saw several Wow coins. I will post a couple of pics tonight and more info tomorrow.
    ana coins 001.JPG ana coins 008.JPG anyone think this is an over strike?
    ana coins 015.JPG ana coins 017.JPG
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  3. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    I'm not familiar with the third coin. What is it?
     
  4. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    A Roman Republican denarius minted in Africa by Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio and Marcus Eppius. Metellus Pius Scipio fled Rome in advance of Julius Caesar after Caesar crossed the Rubicon with his army. Grueber identifies Eppius as a moneyer for Pompey. Cr 461/1.
     
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  6. dlhill132

    dlhill132 Member

    RRD, awesome coin pics. Looking forward to more.

    Doug Hill
     
  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice, I like the second one best.
     
  8. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure if the coin is an overdrive or not. Nice additions though!
     
  9. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    I don't think your unica has an overstrike, but I will be interested in what you find out, after researching the coin. As a comparison, here is mine.
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    Also, love the Scipio coin, great details on that coin! They cost some money in that grade...hope you got a good deal:) Here's mine, a poor cousin (sorry for the poor photo, I need to take a new one, this is a bit out of focus).
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  10. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    More (than you wanted to know) on coin #3 above.
    Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Nasica
    Roman Republican silver denarius, 47 - 46 BC
    Military mint traveling with Scipio in Africa
    Issued for Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Nasica, Imperator and leader of army of Senate fighting Julius Caesar
    Issued by Marcus Eppius, Legatus flandum curavit - or legate of camp treasury which implies the mint was a military one. Sear in CRI notes this is the only coin to use this title.
    Obv - Head of Africa right wearing elephant's skin; grain ear before, plow below; to right - Q METELL; to left - [SCIPIO IMP]; the elephant-skin headgear represents Scipio’s African imperium.
    Rev - Hercules standing facing; holding right hand on hip and with left hand holding club that is draped with a lion’s skin, [resting on rock], to right – [EPPIVS], to left - LEG F C
    3.96 grams; 16.5 / 17.2 mm, slightly oval; off center 0.5 mm or 3% on obv and 2.5 mm or 15% on rev
    EF
    Well struck from new obverse and older reverse dies.
    Obverse art work is good. Reverse die is less so. Hercules looks a bit like Jimmy Durante.
    Flan is too small to hold art work. On obverse SCIOIO IMP and top part of elephant are off flan. On reverse EPPIVS, Hercules feet and the rock are off flan.
    Crawford – 461/1
    Grueber – Africa 10 – 14, 10 & 11 are large head
    Sear, RCV – 1380/1 (large head) & 1380/2 (small head)
    Sear, Imperators – 44
    Sydenham – 1051
    RBW - 1605

    Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Nasica, was a consul with Pompeius in 52 BC, the year he arranged the marriage of his newly widowed daughter to him. He was a strong supporter of the rights of Patricians (the traditional ruling class) against new men who were Plebians (free men who were not Patricians). His father fought on the winning side of Sula against the Marians. He fought unsuccessfully on the side of Pompey against Julius Caesar.

    Patricians were historically afforded more privileges than plebeians. They were better represented in the Roman assemblies. The Comitia Centuriata, the main legislative body, was divided into 193 voting centuriae, or centuries. The first two houses, consisting largely of patricians, together had 98 centuriae, a number which was enough to obtain a majority, despite the fact that they were fewer in number. That meant that if the patricians acted in concord, they could always determine the result of the voting of the people's assembly. So, although it was not forbidden for plebeians to hold magistracies, the patricians dominated the political scene for centuries.

    He had consuls all over his family tree:

    father - Publius Cornelius Scipio (Cons 80 BC) was the son of P Cornelius Scipio Nasica Serapio (Cons 111BC).

    mother - Licinia Crassa daughter of L Licinius Crassus (Cons 95 BC)

    adopted son of Q Caecilius Metellus Pius - (Cons 80 BC), Metellus Pius helped Pompey defeat Sertorius who led a rebellion in Spain

    wife - Aemilia Lepida, daughter of Mamercus Aemilius Lepidus Livanus (Cons 77 BC). He was engaged to Aemilia, broke the engagement and then decided to marry her after Cato proposed. This made an enemy of Cato, the great orator.

    daughter - first married son of consul, and when first husband died, married Pompey (who had previously been married to Julius Caesar's daughter).

    Distant relative (by adoption?) of Scipio Africanus – several generations and too confusing for me to understand and relate here.

    Ronald Syme called him "the last Scipio of any consequence in Roman history."

    Classical scholar John H. Collins said Metellus Scipio was as personally despicable and as politically reactionary as they come. He was honorable only in death. Having lost his armies in two battles in Africa, he fled in a ship, but was driven back upon the African coast by a head-wind and saw his ship in the power of the enemy. He committed suicide by piercing his body with a sword; and when they asked where the commander was, he replied: ' Imperator se bene habet' (or "All is well with the commander.") In death, Metellus Scipio achieved an uncharacteristic dignity, worthy of his great forebears.

    During the civil war between Julius Caesar and the senatorial faction led by Pompeius Magnus ("Pompey the Great"), he remained a staunch optimate (supporter of Patrician rights). He led troops against Caesar's forces, mainly in the battles of Pharsalus and Thapsus, where he was defeated.

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  11. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    ana coins 010.JPG ana coins 012.JPG I passes on this one due to price a last weekend.
    2.27.16 015.JPG 2.27.16 018.JPG The coin I bought instead.
    RR Denarius, C.ANTIVS.C.F.RESTIO; 47 BC
    Mint Rome; Cr 455/1a
    Obv - head of Restio, Trib 68 BC, right, RESTIO behind
    Rev - Hercules walking R with club and trophy
    When I took photos and looked at the coin in better light with magnification, I was not happy. I looked at lots of Restio coin and many had the same surface problems.
    I traded the coin back to the seller and handed over a few bucks for the "better" coin. I like the new one and did not like the old one. Seems like an ok deal to me.
    I wish the new one was centered as well as the old one.
     
  12. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    old beads.jpeg my last purchase at the ANA, some old beads.
    43 copper cent.jpeg it was neat to see the '43 copper cent
    image (70).jpeg a 1913 V nickel
    ana3.jpeg and an 1804 dollar

    In the hall next to the ANA show was a much larger show.... the Walker Stalker convention. We need to sell our hobby better so we outdraw zombies. On a plus note, the dealer selling zombie silver rounds sold out!
    image (72).jpeg shirts for the event
    ws30.jpeg this is the author of the book Little Zombie Dorian, Nathaniel Summers, and his daughter Doriam. They were autographing books. You can buy one at - http://littlezombiebook.com/
    ws2.jpeg there was one knitting zombie lover
    ws3.jpeg mam and daughter after buying tickets
     
  13. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    super photos (thanks for posting)
     
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2016
  15. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Informative and fun thread! Thanks for the pics - glad you had a good show.
     
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