Improper Alloy Mix 1946 Jefferson

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  1. CallMeDan

    CallMeDan New Member

    IMG_0456.JPG IMG_0459.JPG IMG_0456.JPG I recently found a 1946 Jefferson P(no mint mark) nickel with an improper alloy mix. Are these coins common?
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I can't open the PDF file. What makes you think it is an improper alloy mix?

    Chris
     
  4. CallMeDan

    CallMeDan New Member

    Someone suggested it in a comment on my post on a different forum. I researched it a bit and found a photo of a coin identical to mine described as an improper alloy mix.
     

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  5. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    I know that some 1959 nickels turned out very dark "Black Beauty" due to an improper alloy mix and overheating of the planchets.
     
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  6. CallMeDan

    CallMeDan New Member

    If it isn't an improper alloy mix, what could it be? It has beautiful red striations on both the obverse and reverse. I'll re upload the photo.
     

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  7. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    To be honest I have seen this on alot of Jefferson nickels I have always thought this to be due to circulation and it looks like yours has PMD as well.
     
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  8. CallMeDan

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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I can see what looks like an improper alloy mix on the obverse but the entire coin suffers from wear and PMD so not worth keeping.
     
  10. CallMeDan

    CallMeDan New Member

    New to collecting so it's going with the keepers for now haha. Is the Improper alloy mix a common error?
     
  11. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    I agree with you that it looks very much like improper alloy mixing. But $500? Never happen. Interestingly, in the War Time Nickel series I had a theory that magnesium (from memory) and other metal mixes for the WWII nickels overall were not stable and hence created a high percentage of lamination errors in this series. For the people that collect this common Federal coin we can all agree to this common error which persists in this series of WWII nickels - lamination streaks in a high percentage - actually more than any other U.S. Federal coin the 20thC.
    Running some XRF and SEM/EDS tests I confirmed it was not outside contaminants but just a poor alloy mix SELECTION by the U.S. Mint which looked good for the short term but had issues in the long term (i.e., >1 year) in circulation. It never made it to Mike Diamond and Collector's Clearinghouse since I never bothered submitting my results.
    This is NOT PMD. You can argue ... LOL.
    But like I said on top ... so what? Its not a so what worth $500. This KIND of error anyway does not attract error collectors that strongly. Its an interesting nickel that we see this error outside of the WWII series - NOT THAT OFTEN.

    John Lorenzo
    Numismatist
    United States
     
  12. CallMeDan

    CallMeDan New Member

    Thanks a lot John. I'm def not trying to get $500 for it. That's the price of the match. I do think it is a beautiful error. To clarify 46 nickels are not war time nickels, making my find rare; correct?
     
  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    In my humble opinion, yes. It happens quite frequently. Not much of a premium, if any. Nice to have a few of each denomination. :)
     
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  14. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    Not sure - never did a population count - but you are correct it RARER than the WWII laminated error improper alloy mix errors as a whole.

    JPL
     
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  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Thank you for proving what I have been saying for years - at least assuming that Lincolns follow the same principals as Jeffersons and I see no reason they should not.
     
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  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Circulated Jefferson with PMD no more no less.As a nickel collector this specimen shows no sign of improper alloy mix. It's stained and been in circulation for 70 years.
     
  17. CallMeDan

    CallMeDan New Member

    Seems that the professional begs to differ Paddy. Thanks for the input though
     
  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    ha ha ha! You're a newbie this place crawls with experts. This nickel most of its life in a nickel slot machine. it's stained and nothing more. :)
    Nickel collector for over 50 years!
    United States
     
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  19. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    I have noticed that the '46 dated nickels are a bit different in colour than the pre-1942 and the post 1946 nickels for some reason. It seems like the mint had to readjust to working with the 75% copper 25% nickel alloy again and maybe the temperature of the blanks when they were struck had changed temporarily or something.
     
  20. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Not sure why there is an argument about improper alloy mixing when the coin is circulated and damaged. Furthermore, I don't know anyone who considers improper allow mixing a collectable error type. Personally, I don't think this is improper alloy mixing, and I agree with Paddy.
     
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  21. CallMeDan

    CallMeDan New Member

    You got me there! I'm incredibly new to this. So I have one expert saying it is not an improper alloy alloy mix and one numismatist saying it is. Irregardless it isn't worth being graded so I'll just add it to my small collection until I find a replacement. I appreciate everyone for weighing in on it.

    Cheers
     
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