'HADRIAN DUPONDUS' after 40 years of collecting, please share your coin

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  1. SwK

    SwK Junior Member

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    Small but my heart fell in love



    Hadrian. AD 117-138. Dupondius or As, Rome, 132-134
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    HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS Laureate and draped bust of Hadrian to right. Rev. COS III P P / S C Hadrian, in military dress, with cloak flying behind him, on horse prancing right, holding spear in rest in right hand. BMC 1452. Cohen 495. RIC 717.​

    An outstanding coin, with remarkable detail, untouched patina and original surfaces.


    Creating a coin for the Emperor, using the finest artisans can be seen in the detail, down to the saddlecloth of a leopard skin, which would account for the rather irregular shape. Tied in front of the horse's chest, which helped on the security/slippage front. The reins. Interesting but not at all easy to explain. The lower of the loops goes round the neck but does not go to the horse's mouth - the lower loop isn't part of the rein at all but is a neck strap for the rider to grab in an emergency or during battle. Hanging onto the reins, double or single, in an emergency is a bad idea, as it results in the horses getting a jag in the mouth, which could really hurt if the bit is severe (often the case with warhorses). Horses tend not to react well to an unexpected yank in the mouth and the rider is more likely to end up on the floor than save and already tricky situation. Reins are never to provide support for the rider's balance, only for control of speed and direction. "Sitting on the reins" is a fault of beginners! There are neck straps depicted on some coins of Pharsalos - though perhaps these are decorative "garlands" rather than functional. Or a bit of both? I would expect a neck strap, however, to lie further down the neck where it joins the chest. One thing - there is what appears to be a third strap (or part thereof) extending from the mane towards to the right level with the horse's jowl - about the same distance from the top "rein" as the latter is from the bottom "strap".

    Jeff
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Love the reverse and the great detail.
     
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  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOrgeous!
     
  5. hoth2

    hoth2 Well-Known Member

    I agree--that reverse is pretty spectacular.
     
  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Very cool OP-coin (congrats)

    Ummm, Hadrian Dupondius, eh? ...
    okay, I'm all in!!

    Hadrian Æ Dupondius
    Rome mint
    AD 117-138
    Struck AD 125-128
    Diameter: 26 mm
    Weight: 11.24 grams
    Obverse: Radiate bust right, slight drapery
    Reverse: Pegasus right
    Other: 6h ... RIC II 758
    From the Robert O. Ebert Collection

    Hadrian Pegasus.jpg

    :rolleyes:
     
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Question: Are Hadrian dupondii known with laureate portraits and yellow metal? I know this was common in the preceding century but my very limited experience expects Hardian dupondii to have the radiate crown. Below 2 dupondii and one as:
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  8. SwK

    SwK Junior Member

    Hi Doug

    My mistake thanks for the correction

    Æ As, HADRIAN, Rome

    R
    Jeff
     
  9. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Very nice coin you have.

    It can be both, when there is no radiate its an As for me.
    As a Hadrian collector i put radiate in Dupondius map, and the rest is As map

    Here is mine

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  10. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Hmm. That one looks familiar. I am sure its the same one from my collection back in the 80's. I sadly sold most my collection when I became a dealer!
     
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  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    yah, I love that example (thanks for becoming a dealer)

    :rolleyes:

    ...
    it didn't mention anything about good ol' Ken Dorney on the liner-notes (ummm, unless Robert O. Ebert is your show-name?)

    :woot:
     
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  12. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I dont have sales records from that far back, but I do have all my old printed catalogs. Maybe I'll see if I can find it. It's fun to see coins I've handled come back around once in a while.
     
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  13. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Hadrian, as. Struck 132-134.

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    26-24 mm. 12.30 grams.
    HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS
    CLEMENTIA AVG COS III PP
    BMC 1436, an imperial virtue.
    Sear Volume 2, 3677 this coin. Ex NFA auction 17 (June 27, 1986) lot 824.
    I did not buy this from NFA, rather from a friend with an eye for portraits who bought it from NFA. When he switched to collecting Republican coins, I was lucky enough to buy this imperial coin from him. There is a lot to be said for buying from your fellow collectors.
     
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  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Wonderful coin Warren.
     
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  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow, Ken => if you do happen to spend the effort and eventually find my/our sweet ol' example, then "please" send me the catalogue photo/info, so I can tuck it into my coin-records (that would be an awesome update to this coin's recent-history)

    ... good luck (I hope that you're able to solve the coin-mystery)


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  16. SwK

    SwK Junior Member

    Valentinian

    Great original patina + struck on large flan with a strong portrait

    Jeff
     
  17. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful posts of Hadrian guys!! That Op AS is phenomenal @SwK!
     
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  18. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Well, I found the coin, on List #46, February 1999. NOT the same coin! It is nearly identical though, which is why I thought it was the same one. Same grade, general flan shape, patina, etc., but from different dies. Ah well. Dont know what you paid, but mine sold for $350, and that was 17 years ago.
     
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  19. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => thanks for the effort, my coin-friend (I appreciate it)

    I didn't pay quite that much for my sweet baby ... the link is below


    https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=228907

    Cheers ... have a nice weekend

    :rolleyes:
     
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  20. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    That is a sweet deal! The internet has made coins much cheaper and more accessible to so may more people than in the old days!
     
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  21. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Awesome coin!
     
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