Galerius follis

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by dougsmit, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Frequently here we hear the opinion that more of us would like the larger coins of the Tetrarchy if only they were not all those Genius types. In an attempt to avoid Genius, I seem to be getting too many of the other common 'someone standing there' folles but the appeal of the larger coins made me buy another one. This 27mm AE1 is of Galerius Caesar from the period when his coins were inscribed simply Maximianus Nob Caes sometimes causing them to be confused with Maximianus Herakles who had no coins as Caesar.
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    This one is from the Rome mint with Moneta. The long reverse legend is SACRA MON VRB AVGG ET CAESS NN. Part of the appeal to me is the condition of the coin combined with just enough patina scatter and retained silvering to make the coin look natural rather than processed. There is something to be said for learning when to stop cleaning a coin.

    I also have a matching coin from Diocletian from officina P rather than the Q of the new coin.
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    The Diocletian is not as well detailed on the reverse figure but has a much more clear thunderbolt in the mintmark. Still the two look good together. The Galerius cost nearly twice the price of the Diocletian partly due to the grade difference and partly due to the fact it came from an auction while the Diocletian was from a dealer at a show. Was it worth it? I do not have a show to attend until May so the auction coins looked better to my impatience.
     
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  3. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Nearly all my large coins have genio except for this one.
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    Constantius I (Caesar)
    Coin: Bronze Follis
    CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES - Laureate head right
    FELIX ADVENT AVGG NN - Africa standing to left in elephant headdress, holding standard and tusk, lion with captured bull at feet.
    Exergue:
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    Mint: Carthage (297 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 9.76g / 27mm / -
    References:
    • RIC VI Carthage 22a
     
  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Similar to mine, Doug. Just different mint and larger legend.

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    Galerius (305 - 311 A.D.)
    Æ(S) Follis
    O: MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES, Laureate head right.
    R: SACRA MONET AVGG ET CAESS NOSTR, Moneta standing left, holding scales and cornucopia, SIS in exergue, star in left field, B in right field.
    Siscia 301 A.D.
    10.08g
    28mm
    RIC VI 135b Sisci
     
  5. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Maxentius, Galerius and Maximianus 001.JPG Maxentius, Galerius and Maximianus 003.JPG Wonderful posts!!

    Alas, my sole example of Galerius (and all large Folli) is the 'genio' type-----But here's one of Maxentius with the Temple reverse.....
     
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  6. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    And a horribly hard lesson for me!
     
  7. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Doug's posts are wonderful, informative, and well-illustrated. However, I think the Genius types are great too!
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    Galerius, of the very common
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI
    type, much maligned, but interesting nonetheless.
    26 mm. 9.81 grams. Struck c. 296-7 at Ticinum.
    RIC VI Ticinum 32b.
    Much silvering remaining.
     
  8. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I really like your additions Doug! I had never seen a thunderbolt mint mark.
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    In fact, I agree but after buying several coins with this same type, I look for a bit of variety. Even if we stay with Genius, there is variety in obverse portraits or reverse legends. Below are a few Genius types with added features.

    Bust left Diocletian - Trier mint
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    XXI alloy marked Diocletian - Alexandria mint
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    Long legend reverse but still a Genius (as if being Severus II is not special enough to add interest) - Cyzicus mint
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    CMH value mark Galerius - Nicomedia mint
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    There must be a thousand of them.
     
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  10. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Galerius is the kind of guy I only have "geniusses" of, but in various styles :

    Delicate in Heraclea

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    Galerius, Follis Heraclea mint, 5th officina, c. AD 296-298
    GAL VAL MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES, Laureate bust of Galerius right
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, , Genius standing left, holding patera and cornucopia, HTE at exergue
    10.58 gr
    Ref : RCV # 14372 (90), Cohen #78

    Envious
    (suffering from "altaration") in Lugdunum :

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    Galerius, Follis Lyon mint (Lugdunum), 1st officina, AD 303-305
    MAXIMIANVS NOB C, Laureate and cuirassed bust of Galerius rigtht
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left holding cornucopia and wreath, before him an altar. PLG at exergue, star in right field
    10.01 gr
    Ref : Cohen #92, RCV # 14356 (100), RIC VI # 178b

    Relax
    in Trier :

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    Galerius, Follis, Trier mint, c. AD 303-305
    MAXIMIANVS NOBIL C, laureate and cuirassed bust right.
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left, head towered, wearing chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera in right hand, left cornucopiae; S | F in field, PTR at exergue
    8.41 gr 28 mm
    Ref : RCV # 14349 (90), C # 83, RIC VI, Trier, 594b

    Q
     
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  11. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I could choose Galerius with Carthage on reverse- Cohen 191. And also Diocletian with turreted Genius on reverse- Trier 582 a. PTR. Galer Ric 6-    32b-Carthag.jpg Galer R Cohen191.jpg DiocGen Trier         RIC VI.jpg DiocGenioR            582 a.jpg
     
  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Galerius Silvered Follis
    Date: 305-306 AD
    Serdica mint
    Diameter: 27.6 mm
    Weight: 10.4 grams
    Obverse: IMP C GAL VAL MAXIMIANVS PF AVG - Laureate bust of Galerius
    Reverse: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI - Genius holding patera from which liquid flows and cornucopiae. [dot]SM[dot]SD in ex. D in r. field
    References: RIC 12b

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  13. tbc

    tbc Well-Known Member

    I used to collect a lot of these; Untitled.jpg
    Follis of Maximianus
    RIC VI London 6b
     
  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    my only one is a genius..... of the the "delicate" types as Q shows.


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    Galerius as caesar, 293 – 305 AD, Æ Follis


    GAL VAL MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES Laureate head r. Rev. GENIO POPV – LI ROMANI Genius standing l., with modius on head and naked but for chlamys , holding patera and cornucopiae; S in r. field, D in l. field, ANT In exergue, Antioch, 28 mm, 9.9g, RIC 53b.
     
  15. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    My best galerius. ... taken on phone just to join in... 2016-02-17 23.26.28.jpg 2016-02-17 23.24.57.jpg
     
  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  17. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    OP coin is superb, as are many others in this thread. I don't have a Galerius with Moneta reverse, but here's one from his fellow junior Augustus, Constantius I.

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    And now I feel bad for the times I've made fun of the Genius types... but we kid because we love! Anyway, to make amends, here are my three Genii of Galerius.

    London Genius:
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    Cyzicus Genius:
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    Siscia Genius:
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  18. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Does anyone else have these with thunderbolt mintmarks?
     
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