About/Almost Uncirculated (AUNC) Condition for Paper Money

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by numismatic_bernard, Feb 16, 2016.

  1. numismatic_bernard

    numismatic_bernard New Member

    Hello Experts,

    Hope you all are well!

    I have a question that suprisingly I could not find any answer online.
    Below is the general description that we all know about AUNC:

    ABOUT UNCIRCULATED (AU): A virtually perfect note, with some minor handling. May show very slight evidence of
    bankcountingfolds at a corner or one light fold through the center, but not both. An AU note can not be creased, a
    creasebeing a hard foldwhich has usually "broken" the surface of the note. Paper is clean and bright with original
    sheen.Corners are not rounded.

    I would like to know if a brand new banknote that fullfills all the criteria above but has relatively small tear (let's say 1 mm for a small banknote & 3 mm for a very large banknote) at one of the sides due to mishandling (and not due to wear & tear because this is new banknote). Can the banknote still be graded as AUNC condition or it will immediately be downgraded to VERY GOOD (VG)? Because VERY GOOD is the condition where tear is permitted.

    AUNC description does not seem to address tear from mishandling. Just wonder if any of you have any experience/expertise to share in this area? :)

    It will be great to hear back tips/comments from the experts here. :)
    Or any online reference addressing this specifically will be highly appreciated if you have any!

    Many thanks in advance!

    Best regards
     
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  3. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    need to see the note
     
  4. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    your bank note has damamge external to mint processing
     
  5. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    by your definition it cannot be about uncirculated cause of the damage
     
  6. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    the nis handling like tears are not counted as a gradeable note if you did send it it youd get a body bag
     
  7. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    its like a tooled coin technically its still the coin but if its been modified or altered to be something it is not then its deemed no gradable
     
  8. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    Absolutely incorrect. The paper money third party grading services will grade notes with tears, pinholes or even pieces missing.
     
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  9. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Wrong. They only body bag fakes.
     
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  10. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    I believe you are quoting from the IBNS grading standards. Those standards permit small tears up the grade of EF.

    I would find it acceptable to grade it as AU with small tear on right side (or wherever). Will it get AU money? Of course not. EF money? That is up to the purchaser.
     
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  11. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    Thanks for correcting me guys
     
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  12. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Most likely will grade AU or XF with a NET or APPARENT designation (describing the fault).
     
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  13. numismatic_bernard

    numismatic_bernard New Member

    Hello all,

    Thank you for your reply.
    I am struggling to find this information online.

    @lettow

    When you said: "Those standards permit small tears up the grade of EF.", do you have any online reference that explains this?

    Many thanks in advance.

    Best regards
     
  14. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

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    lettow Senior Member

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