FRN plate positions/numbers vs serial numbers

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by YankeeDime, Mar 16, 2023.

  1. YankeeDime

    YankeeDime non-conformant

    Hey guys, maybe this is a dumb question but I couldn't find any info about it. And maybe I just don't know what to search for, lol.

    I got these 2 notes today in my taco bell change, grilled cheese burritos are awesome btw.

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    The serials are almost sequential but the thing that confuses me is that the front and reverse plate positions and numbers are identical.

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    I've gotten sequential bills before with ascending plate positions/numbers but never with identical plate positions/numbers.

    So my question is how do these have serial numbers 1 off but identical plates and how does that happen?
     
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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    This is a Stsve from Tampa question he's the resident go to guy on paper.
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I agree! Too technical for us Coin people. :eek:
    BTW, Making Mexican food at home is better for you.:) Stop eating that drive-thru "poison". You will thank me later. ;)
     
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  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Yeah about 10 minuite after it hits your digestive tract... and bingo.... Montezuma revenge.
     
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  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    In my younger days..my travels thoughout Mexico I learned hard boiled eggs and beer was the meals of the day....por que? Both are boiled ;) 212 f degrees should kill most things that make you go...... or explode...
     
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  7. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    The notes are from different sheets that were printed, serial numbered, stacked on top of one another and cut into packs of 100.
     
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  8. YankeeDime

    YankeeDime non-conformant

    It's nice to not have to cook at home now and then and I had an evening meeting I had to go to.

    It seems like everything is bad for us now and poison. Apparently even my salad has dangerous pesticides and my water has chemicals from the plastic. Lol
     
  9. YankeeDime

    YankeeDime non-conformant

    Huh, guess I didn't realize the serial numbers could be so close together on two completely different sheets.

    I would have expected the serial number ending in 71 to be in the F5 position following placement order like every other consecutive serial notes I've had before.

    I was kind of under the impression that the serial counter moved up one digit for each consecutive note printed lol.
     
  10. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    The serial numbers are printed highest serial number first and counts backwards so that the serial #1 ends up on top when they cut them into packs.
     
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  11. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    As Steve said, notes are on sheets that are stacked, then cut, not cut, then stacked.
    your consecutive number is in the same plate position on every note in a strap pack.
     
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  12. YankeeDime

    YankeeDime non-conformant

    I have an iron clad stomach so I can last a good 20 min :inpain:
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2023
  13. YankeeDime

    YankeeDime non-conformant

    You're right, I was thinking about the front plate serial number, lol.

    Those are the digits I've never seen the same in consecutive notes.

    I had some sequential notes the other day and they all had different front plate numbers. Let me see if I kept them, lol
     
  14. YankeeDime

    YankeeDime non-conformant

    I did not...

    But I found some for sale online.

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    They follow as E106, E107 and E105
     
  15. YankeeDime

    YankeeDime non-conformant

    That's pretty interesting. I really need to look into the printing process because I'm completely lost on stuff like this. I just thought it was odd and I knew someone here would know the answer lol.
     
  16. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Those aren't plate position numbers, those are plate numbers. There should be 3 repeating plate numbers on consecutive notes such as yours. The plate numbers on the reverse will do the same.
     
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  17. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Hopefully this will help. Engraved printing plates have either 50 notes ingraved on them or 32 notes ingraved on them. Every note on that plate will have the same plate number. What is different is the position of that note on the plate.

    There are 3 plates installed on the printing plate roller. For every revolution of the roller, three sheets are printed. That is how there are 3 different plate numbers in consecutive notes. If there is an issue with a printed sheet, that sheet will be removed from the stack and evidence of this is where you will see the cadence in the 3 plate numbers skip a beat. Your notes show that.

    Star notes are used for replacing damaged printed sheets only after the serial numbers are printed on the notes. They keep the count on the notes coinciding with the serial numbers in a stack. Serial numbers in a strap of 100 notes begin with 01 and end with 00.
     
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  18. YankeeDime

    YankeeDime non-conformant

    Thanks for the info. Every thing I can learn helps.

    I had just never seen identical plate numbers on sequential notes I've got from circulation before and from the very little I knew about the printing process I was confused, lol.

    Or I guess I should say what I thought I knew, lol
     
  19. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    What you have is normal and in my book they are spenders.
     
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  20. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    For members that normally don't collect currency, I thought this might help.
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  21. YankeeDime

    YankeeDime non-conformant

    32 note sheets? See I didn't even know that, I thought BEP only did 50 note sheets on the $1 now. Lol
     
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