Should "In God We Trust" be removed from US Coins & Currency?

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  1. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    More throughout history have been killed in the name of god,then any other reason. And God being one of many depending on who's god you worship .
    Case in point Northern Ireland where both sides of that situation worshiped the same god. Yet still found it fit to go at it for many years.
     
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  3. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I think it would have been best to never have included the motto at all. Same with the Moses statues, or the Ten Commandments, or any other religious references. I'm not an atheist I just think it's inappropriate.
     
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  4. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    If 10% of the population is atheist, then it would only be fair to mint 10% of the coins with the motto "Darwin Rules" or something.

    Or this:
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  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I believe the number 10% is much higher .....more in the 30% neighborhood .
     
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  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    The second largest "religious" demographic in this country is the Unaffiliated at about 23%. Unaffiliated include atheists, agnostics, and people who don't believe religion is important to their lives. About 70% is Christian. The trend in the last few years is a decline in Christians with an increase in the Unaffiliated. These numbers came from the Pew Research Center.
     
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  7. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    True, many of the wars were fought in the name of religion, but prior to the foundation of religion as we know it today, there was killing going on between men of different races/regions, etc...

    Let's face it, humans have been brutal to each other for ever.
     
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  8. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Not entirely sure that's accurate. Did Hitler kill the Jews in the "name of religion"? Was Germany's aggression in WWI or WWII religious? How about our involvement in Korea and 'Nam? What about the Spanish-American "War"? How about the Civil War or War of the States as they say in the south? Seems these wars were more political in nature than religious. Anyway, I do agree that millions have been killed in the name of religion. I'm not debating that point.
     
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  9. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Even the Crusades do not own their origins to religious warfare - I feel it was just part of the maneuvering to get more to buy into it. The truth is there will always be people who are willing to fight and kill and there will always be others willing to die. What motivates all of them will be different. Just my opinion.
     
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  10. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Of course not, the nazis had this idea of "ethnic Jews". And yet many wars in the world have been fought claiming that "God is our side".

    I'm in Germany, and our money does not have any religious references*, but in a few other European countries (UK, NL, CH ...) that is different. Very subtle though, a mere "D.G." on the obverse, or a motto on the edge only.

    Christian

    * Germany 2015:
    No Religious Affiliation: 34.0 %
    Roman Catholics: 29.5 %
    Protestants (mostly EKD): 27.9 %
    Others (Jews, Muslims, etc.): 8.6 %
     
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  11. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    I like to believe that God would much rather our money states "In Gold We Trust" so he is relieved of the responsibility of backing an otherwise fiat system doomed to an eventual failure that even He cannot bail us out of.
     
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  12. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    Drop that stupid motto. Time to get rid of myths, fantasy, and insanity -- it's the 21st century.
     
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  13. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Gold has no intrinsic value, and is just as fiat as say, beads. It has an agreed upon value with which it is used as a means of transaction. It's shiny and doesn't tarnish (much), but that doesn't mean it's somehow magical.

    All money is fiat money -- the "fiat" part being the "it shall be" worth a certain amount of goods/services.
     
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  14. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    It would be just another law suit brought about by a few who want a payoff. If it were to occur and the motto is removed that means that the value of all denominations, paper and coin, with the motto on it would go up because they have become "obsolete" Right ?
     
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  15. Brett_in_Sacto

    Brett_in_Sacto Well-Known Member

    NO!
     
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  16. Brett_in_Sacto

    Brett_in_Sacto Well-Known Member

    Correct.

    And this will probably get marked as political - and I really don't care since the entire thread is considered such. And if it is, we understand the political bias of the board.

    The first amendment guarantees:

    "Freedom OF Religion"

    And not:

    "Freedom FROM Religion"

    Because the latter is oppressive censorship.
     
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  17. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Then I suppose you'd be fine with "In Allah we Trust" on your money? How about "In Zeus we Trust"? I believe we should grow up and remove all fairy-tales as official statements of our government. But, as I stated before, I'm willing to compromise if we remove the tax exemption for religious organizations. :smuggrin:
     
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  18. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    That was my thought. I'm not debating that countless people have been killed in the name of religion or a "god", just the voracity of his comment about the #'s of people killed in the name of religion vs. other reasons.
     
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  19. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    Which of the thousand+ gods, that mankind has made up over the past 100,000 years, is this motto referring to?

    I've always liked zeus and apollo. How can you not like that whole lightning bolt thing. I feel left out and discriminated against since my money is not mentioning my personal god fantasy.

    Poseidon is also cool with that whole sea monster thing happening. Lets not forget that cool god.

    Maybe it should read "in Gods (plural) we trust".

    And lets not forget fairies and leprechauns and imaginary friends in general. Maybe "in fantasies we trust" would be more appropriate if the government wanted to sanction legends and folklore?

    Honestly if the govt wanted to sanction something, how about science, logic, education, and rational thought. Now that something i could get behind.
     
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  20. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    I believe that also included people who believed in a god, just not formal religion controlled by man.

    That is a specific god which is then endorsing an official religion. God is a generic term that all religions use, what it actually means is up to the individual person once you name a specific one you've stepped into the this religion is better than another territory.
     
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  21. littlehugger

    littlehugger Active Member

    That's a totally false narrative. Pure knee jerk. Pol Pot alone killed more people than Christianity. Mengele Parenthood has outdone them all. Rachel Carson has 50 million deaths on her hands.
    Next time you cast aspersions, document it. Sick of hate.
     
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