Grading Help

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by coinman1234, Feb 7, 2016.

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Mercury Dime Grade?

  1. F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. VF

    2 vote(s)
    7.1%
  3. EF

    8 vote(s)
    28.6%
  4. AU-50

    4 vote(s)
    14.3%
  5. AU-53

    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  6. AU-55

    5 vote(s)
    17.9%
  7. AU-58

    4 vote(s)
    14.3%
  8. MS-60

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. MS-63

    2 vote(s)
    7.1%
  10. MS-65

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    I don't see any hairlines when I have it in hand. It looks very natural to me, maybe dipped at one point far in the past but the hairlines look more like die polish lines to me. In my experience most coins with dramatic hairlines also look way more artificial with horrible brightness showing on each hairline. The color of the lines look very consistent with the rest of the coin in hand.
     
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  3. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    It has Full Band lines.... I think it may just be a lighting issue on your photos.

    Looks like diffused lighting to me.
     
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  4. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind, I bought it loose in a small bag pressed with some more mercury dimes. It was never in any protective case and sold with junk silver. Unfortunately it was handled as junk silver, not as a higher grade coin. Maybe some of it's handling/storage produced some wear.
     
  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Cleaned to my eyes not normal surfaces.
     
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  6. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    When you grade a coin at a TPGS for example, you don't know where it came from/how it was stored/where it has been. Coins are hardy little things. it is amazing how nice they can remain, even when you know their past history of mistreatment.

    If I had a shop, thay coin would be priced as an Unc. and I would sleep like a baby when it was sold.
     
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  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I gave it a 58 because I think I'm seeing rub on all the bands and the luster looks AU and not MS. It's an image.
     
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  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    No rub? Look again..... all the high points on the wing shows wear.
     
  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Paddy, this is 2015. Coins that were once considered to be AU can be found graded as high as MS-62. I like the coin as an Unc (I wouldn't buy it as one). You prefer Au. Grading is subjectiveo_O
     
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  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    No actually it's 2016 and it truly doesn't matter what year it is, what matters is that the angle of the wing has wear.
    I'm not ragging on the coin just stating the facts.
    And the facts are the high points of this coin wings has wear. And others here see it also. Copy and paste the image next to a TPG unc. coin.
     
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  11. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    Here's my coin compared to one graded MS-60, used on the photograde.

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  12. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    58 whizzed or cleaned
     
  13. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT THE COIN DOES NOT HAVE ANY RUB. Please see post #20 that I wrote in 2015.

    IMO it is not significant enough for the coin to be graded/sold as AU by a coin dealer.

    Perhaps some dealers can put a retail price on it for us. Not interested in wholesale because we all would like to get it at "melt" o_O
     
  14. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    What's that right next to Mercury's lips?

    Die crack or scratch? It looks like the former but that may be due to lighting.
     
  15. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Looks like debris.
     
  16. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Voted 55 yesterday, haven't changed my mind yet. A picture with different lighting would help.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2016
  17. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Here's another 1917 Mercury dime, PCGS calls it AU-50. No way the coin we're discussing in this thread grades much higher than this one:
    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1454955265.134159.jpg
    Super-weak strike? No luster at all...? Not UNC in my book... rather AU-ish... look at the rims.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2016
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  18. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    I'm in the AU camp.
     
  19. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    GOOD POINT! How long ago was this graded. Rattler?
     
  20. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Actually, it's one of the coins from PCGS photograde ;-) ...if 62 is the "new AU" then tell me where does UNC start nowadays? LOL
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2016
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  21. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Remember, IMO:

    Actually, from what I've seen, the chances are 80% that most gold coins grading below MS-63 are actually our old AU's.

    Silver Dollars are still graded fairly strictly; however you may find perhaps 15% of the COMMON DATE 61's - 62's can fall into the AU range.

    Type coins: IMO, are graded like gold. At the least MS-63 to have a chance you get a "True" Unc.

    When you get to MS-65, virtually everything is Uncirculated by the old standards.
     
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