Fakerdoodles :-(

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by John Anthony, Feb 5, 2016.

  1. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    In my opinion this is a highly suspect drachm, Antigonas Monophthalmos of Lampsakos mint, theoretically, but the surfaces have that casting sort of irregularity, particularly on the reverse. Also, the reverse seems to be a match to this pressed cast of the the Dmitrovgrad School.

    Also, it's light at 3.8g. That wouldn't be cause for concern in and of itself, because I've seen authentic coins with weights that low, but it certainly doesn't add to this coin's case. Thoughts?

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Looks off to me too. o_O
     
  4. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Fakerdoodles!!
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I think the reverse looks off in design, but as far as surface I am no judge.
     
  6. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Pearls, mushy details, questionable patina, mechanical wear. Fakerdoodles IMHO.

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  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yeah, I have no doubts myself. I just wanted to share it. This comes from a well-known and well-respected dealer that we've probably all bought from, which just goes to show that forgeries can slip through the cracks, even among the best.
     
  8. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    On a related note I also bought this nice bag for my wife for Valentine's day...

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  9. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    That one is a fake too I'm afraid (style on the lettering is far off) ;)

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  10. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Been seeing some very nice fakes lately, not sure bout this one leaning fake, but to someone that doesn't know might be a problem. its has some very good details, but no flow lines. it won't be long and you won't know for sure.
     
  11. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Looks fake-a-doodle-doo to me, too. I can't really speak to the design, but the surfaces are definitely off. Since you're asking and not telling us it's fake, I'm assuming there's no sign of a seam or casting sprue?
     
  12. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Not to mention the sand grains in the fields from the casting mold. Here's an extreme example of cast sand grains taken from a random pic from the internet:

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  13. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Looks like an Andy Warhol bag to me.... and a fake coin, no flow lines.
     
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  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The link you posted goes to the wrong coin (a Tiberius denarius). I'm interested in seeing the matching known fake.
     
  15. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    There seems to be an issue with FORVM URL's. Here it is. Only the reverse is a match...

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  16. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    This is why I buy graded. I am not good enough to spot that as a fake. I would hope the second eyes at NGC would at least weed out the ones that yall could spot.
     
  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    They guarantee nothing and the eyes that looked at this one belonged to a respected dealer.
     
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  18. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    The obverse is a fairly good copy, but the reverse style is completely off. Add to that the clear casting bubbles all over it, well, should be obvious but sometimes these get past some of us.
     
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  19. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I recently I had a close call, with one of my coins being a potential fake, although procured from a very knowledgeable person. Coins of this style seem relatively easy to fake. I have found pretty close fakes but lucky it remains authentic.

    16.58 grams

    Very close to http://thracecoins.reidgold.com/forgery.html "Faker #3"

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  20. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    and this one? John said many fakes outthere..what do you think? IMG_0007.JPG IMG_0008.JPG
     
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  21. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    I don't know if those were pimples or just coloration, but the section of flan edge between green arrows looked rather fresh.
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