Domitia and her Mule

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  1. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    This is one of my favorite types. The official coin is an issue with Domitia on the obverse, but I also have the great fortune to own an exceptionally rare mule with Domitian on the obverse. I believe there are only 2-3 known. I bought the Domitian from Tom Cederlind at NYINC several years ago. It was the first coin I had ever bought from him. A couple years later, I bought the Domitia from him at NYINC to make it a set.

    I didn't buy that much from Tom Cederlind in recent years, but I miss him. He was always a pleasure to talk to as he would make the coins come alive with his knowledge of history. He was one of the diminishing Old School dealers who still believed in printed price lists and telling the story of the coin.

    The Domitian was sold originally in NFA XXVII in 1991, which coincidentally was the sale of Roberto Russo's magnificent Roman Republican collection.

    Domitia Denarius Child Globe Cederlind 2010.jpg Domitian Denarius Hybrid Cederlind 2008.jpg

    I lifted this story below from someplace I can't remember, perhaps the NFA catalogue so I'm sorry I can't give the cite at the moment:

    Throughout the course of Imperial Roman coinage seven children were honored posthumously, with five of them being presented as gods. One of these divine children was an infant son born to Domitia, the wife of Domitian. Virtually nothing is known about him, and if he had not appeared on this rare coin type, he would have been little more than a footnote in the historical record. We may deduce from a passage in Suetonius, from historical circumstances, and from his infantile appearance on memorial coins that he probably was born in 83 and died soon thereafter. Regrettably, his name is nowhere recorded. Since the boy usually appears on the reverse of coins of Domitia, and Domitian seems to have divorced her in about 83 (roughly the time she would have given birth to the boy), it seems obvious that he died in infancy and that Domitian immediately deified him and celebrated him on coinage before he exiled his wife. Domitian’s grief must have been profound, for the boy’s presentation ranks among the most inventive on all Roman coinage; he is shown as a young Jupiter seated on a globe with his hands raised toward seven stars that represent the constellation of the Great Bear (Ursa Major). The boy is also represented on two other rare issues: denarii inscribed PIETAS AVGVST that show him standing before Domitia in the guise of Pietas, and sestertii with a similar scene but inscribed DIVI CAESAR MATRI or DIVI CAESARIS MATER. This particular denarius is a notable rarity, and is considered to be a muling of a Domitian obverse with a Domitia reverse.
     
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  3. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I can see why you like them... they're a fascinating type and these are both wonderful examples!
     
  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Wow, what a fantastic pair! Congratulations :)
     
  5. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    What a super coins:facepalm:
     
  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    They're both great & interesting coins, lucky!
     
  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Absolutely superb!!! :jawdrop: I'd LOVE to own either of them!!:woot::woot:

    Those are the first examples I have seen and I'm JEALOUS!!!;):)

    Wonderful background narrative as well....
     
  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    +1 to what everyone else has said.
     
  9. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Very nice!!
     
  10. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Super coins and an interesting writeup.
     
  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Utterly fantastic coins! The reverse has to be one of the most sentimental in all of Roman coinage.
     
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  12. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Thanks for the kind comments all.

    I don't know whether it is the parent in me or what, but the reverse has always rung a cord with as well.
     
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  13. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    A fantastic pair! Congrats!
     
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  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    I LOVE the reverse, the "globe baby"! I've seen these before, but didn't now the story. A very sobering reverse really, now that I now what it signifies.
     
  15. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Very nice coins! I know today that child deaths are very hard on a couple. Wonder if the infant's death had anything to do with her exile?
     
  16. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

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    Fantastic opportunity to get those together Carthago. I've previously seen the Domitia once, but never happened to see the Domitian
    Thanks for sharing

    Q
     
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  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow Carthago => those are amazing!!

    I love the reverses ... Jupiter relaxing on the globe and looking-up at the Great Bear constellation (pretty darn cool)
     
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