Unusual coins series - Silver Flower Money (Pak Chee) Lanna Kingdom of Northern Thailand.

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  1. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Unusual coins series.

    Lanna Kingdom. Circa 13 -16th century AD. Northeast Thailand modern day Chiang Mai.

    Silver Pak Chee (Flower) ingot coin. 76.6g

    A scarce type of primitive ingot money used in the Kingdom of Lanna. These represent a high denomination currency and its value in silver weight and purity. Called Pak Chee or flower money due to their design on the obverse which resembled a flower or droplet of water.
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, that is a PIG at 76 grams! Lot to carry around in your pocket! Nice flower.
     
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  4. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Haha..Thanks.. yeah it is pretty solid. Considering also that they were of high grade silver, this could also have been a pretty high denomination.
     
  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    13-16th century "AD" and that's all that they could come up with?

    => Fail

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    ;)
     
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  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    A very interesting piece. Is it cast? It looks like it might have simply been poured into a one-sided mold.
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL!
     
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  8. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Certainly unusual and unbelievably 'fat' !!!
     
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  9. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    The way they minted these would have been pretty simple by pouring molten silver into some shallow moulds of irregular shapes. Probably the top "flower" designs were resulting from the pouring effect or probably a simple drawing at the surface
     
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  10. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    You should have seen some of the smaller pig snout coins or AE changes they used. . Haha
     
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  11. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

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    On hand.. wide but thin
     
  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    If I was selling it, I would describe it as having some minor porosity, lol.
     
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  13. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    True true..:joyful: although the porosity is their marks of authenticity. . Just like Chinese Sycees. .
     
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  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Very sweet addition, Loong Siew (I love that you can take a joke about your coin)

    => I think the coin is super cool (congrats) ...

    sadly, I don't have anything to add to your thread

    13th century AD, eh? ... ummm, I guess I do have this example ...

    Seljuqs of Rum, Kaykhusraw II

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    => I'm grading this baby at the Grade-5 art level
     
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  16. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Actually that's what made me think the coin was made in a one-sided cast. That doesn't look like the porosity that results from the weathering of time. It looks like a combination of bubbles and slag that occurred during the casting and cooling, and it was left as-is.
     
  17. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Hey no worries @stevex6 ... your Seljuk silver is itself a work of art. Islamic tenets often forbid the depiction of icons or organic motifs that may bear semblance (regardless of remoteness) of idolatry. Thus having one with such designs are incredibly interesting..
     
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  18. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member


    Absolutely. The porosity are results of air bubbles at the surface of the moulds during the cooling process when in contact with molten silver. Unlike modern machine struck or pressed ingots
     
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  19. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Urrgh.. I just realized autocorrect has screwed up my title.. "Pak Chee" not "Pakistan Chee".. But I can't edit and correct.. Don't know why.. Apologies all
     
  20. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hit "Report" ... and ask the dudes to retype it for you ...
     
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  21. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hey dawg, I reported your thread title correction as well (hopefully they'll change it to "Steve's Big Silver Flower Monkey Adventure")

    ... but yah, hopefully they'll change the Pakistan Chee to "Pak Chee"

    Oh, and I also mentioned that you might be smuggling drugs with your coins (hey, just tryin' to do my part)

    :woot:

    ... just jokes (I said handguns, not drugs)
     
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