Help Me Grade This 1938-D WL

Agree, look at LL's left hand and eye socket and nose vs the OP's coin.

 

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Mmmmmm.... ring ding...

 

F details cleaned

Here is my example in my cue set just for kicks

 

I'll go with VG-8 but will agree with you on the reverse scratches to a point. If they are actually recent bright white scratches, it won't straight grade. I can't see the scratches well enough in the images to make that call.

 

I'm going to disagree. IMHO (now remove the H ) the OP coin will straight grade at any major grading service. Grading is a "degree" thing. How much whatever. You are discussing a "major hairline" on the reverse (that may actually disappear as the coin is rotated) as if it were dug into the coin and a major distraction. The actual scratch on this coin is on/under the flag on the obverse. Since it is old and not bright like the hairline; and due to the low grade of the piece, I believe it will be ignored ALSO.

One "rebel" grading instructor teaches his students to see everything there is possible to see on a coin and then to "back-off" a bit (when needed) in order to "get in step" with the folks in the real world!

You guys have shown a "good eye for detail" but I'm suggesting that none of us "micro-grade." I hear it is frowned upon at the TPGS's.

 

You disagree with everyone without even bothering to read what they actually posted. I get it. You just wish to stir the pot.
We don't know how bad the scratches are on the reverse from these images.
With better images or seeing the coin in hand, we would.
If you think the TPGs are going to ignore major bright white scratches just because it's on the reverse of a coin, you are out of tough with the real world.
I'll repeat what I posted before. "I can't see the scratches well enough in the images to make that call."
Learn to read before you disagree. It's getting really old.

 

Play nice I stick by my statements...Perhaps you need glasses!

 

AND I'M sooooooooooo sorry you felt personally attacked at my attempt to pass on things I have seen and heard. I used your post as a great "stepping-stone" to give what I consider (pat on my back) an informed opinion. As I said before...a hairline is a hairline, a little more intense it becomes a larger hairline, a little more intense perhaps some will call it a tiny scratch...easy? That's what the TPG's do all day long .

 

You stated that you disagree with what I posted. Just what did you not understand in my post or did not read? Pin it down. What exactly did I post that you don't agree with. Yet again you are just stirring the pot.

 

Apparently, you are just as bad as YOU CLAIM I AM when it comes to reading/understanding the English language in a post. Sooooooooooo

That's what you wrote. What I wrote (except in blue as a clarification):

I'm going to disagree. IMHO (now remove the H ) the OP coin will straight grade at any major grading service. Grading is a "degree" thing. How much whatever. You are discussing a "major hairline" on the reverse AND NOT A SCRATCH (that may actually disappear as the coin is rotated) as if it were dug into the coin and a major distraction. The actual scratch on this coin is on/under the flag on the obverse. Since it is old and not bright like the hairline; and due to the low grade of the piece, I believe it will be ignored ALSO.

Score for those keeping score:

Mr. Stir-up the = 2

The CT "policeman" and the 3 people including me who "Liked his original post #27" = ZERO and I hope

 

The OP asked to help him grade the coin. An opinion and description why is all that is necessary, let the OP decide. Argumentation over one's expertise to produce such is not needed. If anything, it then gets close to self promoting, and that gets close to the rules. So all play nice and stop the bickering. Thanks.

 

Only the mods keep scores, and the higher, the loser.

 

Very sorry...No thought of self-promotion, as no one knows who we are and must judge us by our opinions/posts. Just trying to pass along what I have learned concerning the way TPGS view coins. IMHO the OP should have learned something from @Idhair and I about the way we look at a coin.

I also love a good discussion (with funny faces) as that is how we learn and possibly change our opinions. For example, I originally graded the OP coin VG-10. The posters here and the PCGS website caused me to change my mind and agree that the coin should only grad VG-8!

Finally, I feel that any member posting an opinion should be able to back it up. I really have been trying to play nice in my postings BUT the little on one shoulder delights in being a BRAT! Sometimes the just takes over my fingers

 

Now, would you have the time to check out : MAD Eisenhower thread and help with the value of the coin?

 

To the OP. If this coin actually has bright white scratches across the reverse, it would not straight grade. Only you know if they are bright white at this point.
I like the coin at VG-8.

 

Me again...It is OBVIOUS the coin HAS at least one BRIGHT WHITE hairline "scratch" across the reverse. We all can see it! I still vote straight grade.

 

I will second Larrys opinion that the scratches which look fresh would be cause for a details grade. And it appears to me I see cleaning hairlines in the obverse fields especially right obverse. Granted I'd need to see in hand to make a conclusive determination. But from the images that's my call

 

OK, we shall just disagree. Besides it is a photo. Hey moderator:

Insider: Big fat O
Others: Others 2

Insider loses

 

Here is my 1938-D that I submitted to NGC in Feb. 2014.
It graded VF-20