USA Gold Cert $50 - Inverted trial/ essay/ experiment

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  1. see323

    see323 Emperor Five Collection

    Spink Auction : http://www.spink.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp...7&saletype=

    Sale 7040 Lot 980

    U.S.A. gold certificate, an inverted trial/ essay/ experiment of a $50 series of 1922, Grant at centre, yellow seal at left, 50 at right , Speelman-White signatures
    (cf P.276 for type), threaded paper and the design on obverse and reverse inverted, unusual and very rare
    Estimate £ 300-500

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    Interesting .... :)
     
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  3. see323

    see323 Emperor Five Collection

    Is it really an inverted trial / essay / experimental note as commented by Spink. It looks more like an error note.
     
  4. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    it looks like an intaglio or a fake note. i dont think its possible for the die to imprint it backwards ....unless its a copy of leftover ink from another note... its just seem possible to me ??
     
  5. dragons52

    dragons52 dragons

    it would be cool if it is
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Logically, suppose that the note was printed in reverse, then in the second printing the serial number would be printed, ALSO IN REVERSE??????????????????

    Sorry, but no one will convince me that they managed this one.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Obviously not an error. It had to be made deliberately.

    In order to do this with standard printing plates, for the first printing the press would have to be cycled without a sheet of paper in it so that the plate can transfer the ink to the backer board. Then TWO sheets of paper would have to be put through the press at the same time. On sheet picks up the reversed image from the backer board and the other sheet keep the plate from putting a correct image on the other side of the reverse image. Then the same thing would have to be done to create the reversed front plate image. Then you would have to do something like this AGAIN in order to create the revered third printing. So for this to be an error note SIX major errors would have to have occured to this one sheet on different passes through the press and on different days.

    And if you can believe six impossible things before breakfast, why not finish it off with lunch at Milliway's, The Resturant at the End of the Universe.
     
  8. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    Nice creation though
     
  9. see323

    see323 Emperor Five Collection

    Thanks everyone for their reply. It is probably an experimental / trial piece as stated in the Spink Auction. It is a nice unique note.
     
  10. Twiggs

    Twiggs Coin Collector

    or a very bad shot at conterfeiting..lol
     
  11. see323

    see323 Emperor Five Collection

    Just make it easier for your eyes, here is the original and reverse one.

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    :)
     
  12. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    it is not a trial or an expiramentl piece. the BEP wouldnt do somethignl ike this on purpose. They dont have the time or the desire for such games. On the reverse image you showed, if it was a true reverse, the Grant portrait should also be reversed. as was said, this piece was done intentially by someone, but i dont think it was the BEP.
     
  13. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Where did you find or how did you produce the picture of the bottom Note? They are the same note and if the bottom Note is a real note, then the top is only a Reverse image (probably using a mirror or uncorrected lense) of the real Note as they are the same Note! You can tell by the little tick (black) marks in the left hand corner of the top Note (West of "50" and in the corner) and the same in the right hand corner of the bottom Note (East of "50" and in the corner).


    Frank
     
  14. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Frank,it is still a very nice design.How often do you see a $50 Gold Certificate? Not very often,I would think.

    Aidan.
     
  15. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Aidan,

    You are right, it is a nice Note that you don't see very often! However, I would rather purchase a real $50 Gold Certificate instead of buying into a fraud!


    Frank
     
  16. see323

    see323 Emperor Five Collection

    Great observation on the the little black tick marks and the right hand corner.

    If you look at the first posting of this thread, I have pointed this note sales to Spink Auction which will be held in London. Here is a screen capture of the auction description. Spink has been around for many many years. They are a trusted international auction house putting this note up for auction.

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    As for the second picture, Photoshop does the trick to reverse the original picture horizontally.

    http://www.spink.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=7040+++++980+&refno=+8138867&saletype=

    :)
     
  17. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    I can't believe people are relying on "little black marks" to say one picture is a reverse image of the other, when the big as life serial numbers are the same. :rolleyes:

    By any chance did Spinks originally post that auction on the day between March 31 and April 2? [​IMG]
     
  18. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Roy,

    :secret: No need to mention the Serial Number as most folks can read backwards and forwards and some can read both ways at the same speed! However, the little black marks are like scratches or other damage on a coin or Carbon in a Diamond! Once there, they identify the $50 Gold Certificate from others of identical denomination, Date, Signatures, possible Serial Number and where printed.


    Frank
     
  19. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Frank - are you saying that there might be more than one note with the same serial number?

    I'm a total neophyte at currency collection, but if serial numbers are unique, why isn't that a simpler way to verify that the same note is pictured than looking for black marks?
     
  20. see323

    see323 Emperor Five Collection

    I don't think so. The online catalogue at the Spink website was only out for less than a week. The printed catalogue was already distributed and send to world collectors much earlier. This auction will be held in London on 14 June 2007. Is there anything between March 31 and April 2 ? Unless you are referring to 1 April which is a .... :)
     
  21. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Sorry, but I agree with Roy, must have been listed on April 1st.
     
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