Coin searching finds

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Markus1959, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Searched a small jar of coins this afternoon and found these 2 coins.

    Lincoln cent with reverse die crack:

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    then this nickle - to me looks like die deterioration doubling, but I've never seen the doubling from the worn die spread out so much from the letters/numbers before:

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  3. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    Nice finds! The Jefferson looks like MD due to the flat ledge profile.
     
  4. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    they killed those dies on 1999 nickels, found many like your example, think i got a few pics..

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  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Yup, the Jeff is definitely DDD. I have a couple like that myself. When I first found one in 1999, I thought I had discovered the greatest doubled die ever. It was only after researching a bit that my hopes were shattered. A couple years later, I wrote the Wikipedia article on the subject, and shared pictures of my coin on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die-deterioration_doubling
     
  6. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Nice pics - looks damn near the same!
     
  7. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    What's the main difference between MD and DDD?
     
  8. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Those nickel dies should have been retired in 1998.
     
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  9. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    The link Physics-fan added has great info on the DDD example
     
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  10. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Machine doubling or die deterioration doubling are the same to me.
     
  11. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Two completely different causes, with two completely different appearances.

    Machine damage, or strike damage, occurs right after the striking of the coin. As the dies begin to pull apart, they may "bounce" or "jiggle." This slight shifting of the die will "drag" the devices, and produce a torsional effect. The resulting appearance will be flat and shelflike, often with a rather shiny appearance.

    Die Deterioration Doubling occurs late in a die's life, after it has struck many coins. The friction of the coin metal rubbing on the surface of the die will wear away the fine details of the die, and may cause the devices to have a bloated or distorted appearance. The appearance is irregular, such as shown in the OP. It isn't flat and shelf-like, so some people confuse it for hub doubling. However, it isn't the rounded, notched, secondary image of true hub doubling - it is instead a shadowy outline of the devices.
     
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  12. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    No. Very much no. They have the same value (that is, zero premium), but they have very different causes and very different appearances.
     
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  13. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Maybe one being more extreme than the other? I did not read your article but I will. Sorry if I am in err here. Edit-Great article and thanks for posting the link. I am much more informed as a result of reading this and I thank you.
     
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  14. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    Okay, that's works for me. Thanks very much for your detailed explanation!
     
  15. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    +1
     
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