1911-D $5 Half Eagle?

The only "error" I'm seeing is the seller's use of a "D", and perhaps this thread. Intentional or accidental it's hard to say for sure, but this would seem a pretty stupid one to try to pass off.

 

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I'd like to receive your basis for the seemingly unintelligent analysis posted. Is it your familiarity with the 1911S $5 coin type, or you could post your 1911D $5 coin, so we'd understand your "statements", as I've posted specimens for my arguments/rebuttals.

Is your statement of stupidity judgement have a valid basis, such as you have personally inspected the coin, or have questionable knowledge of the sellers character.

Is your statement of not understanding an error condition based on limited comprehensive skills. Maybe your knowledge of TPG absolute infallibility. Could it possibly be an overestimate of your faculties relative to the seller, myself, and I believe at least 15 other individual BIDDERS (i.e. not just viewers) on this auction. One bidder with greater than 3700 positive feedback having placed in excess of 100 bids on pre-1933 Gold coins in the last 30 days. We may have an adjudged challenge to ascertain truths.

I suggest you place some objective thought into your choice of words, and content of your posts. Some may take exception to your public suggestion of limited intelligence.

Regardless, I don't know the truth as to the mint mark, and requested objective input, but believe that a subjective post to infer stupidity, doesn't "fill the bill".

Respectfully, RICH

 

You cannot say everyone thought it was a D based on pictures. He said it was a D in the title, which is enough for some bidders to just blindly bid away. I still say it looks like an s.

 

What "analysis" have you presented to back up your position? Nothing, but you're going to attack me over a very simple and clear statement that was in no way disrespectful? You now say you don't know if it's a "D", yet in the OP, after a more shameless bragging, you made it very clear (or at least as is possible for you) that you, in fact, believe it to be just that; YOU made the claim, now back it up. Perhaps it is you who should get off his laughably lofty high horse, stop trying to make yourself look like the bastard son of Shakespeare and Gates, and start posting facts. I can promise you that no one is fawning over your incessant self-fluffery; bragging on and on about all you (supposedly) own, have done, yada, yada, yada as it proves nothing beyond your infinite schmuckery, and certainly has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Of course, it never does, but again and again and again we hear it. It must take a very small man to be so desperate to resort to using a coin forum as his own online ED pump.

Your posting photos of other examples, particularly of one with such a high mintage (hint, hint!), proves NOTHING. Have you "personally inspected the coin", or are you using the same information that you've provided to us? If not, wouldn't that make your view a "stupidity judgement" as well? One can only use the evidence provided them, and that is the coin itself. Not other bidder's feeback, or what they've bid on, etc, etc. Someone who so boasts about how much knowledge and experience they supposedly have with such coins shouldn't need to use we peons are a crutch, yet here you are. Perhaps the almighty should be educating us and not the other way around.

Perhaps it is just that I didn't pull out a dictionary in lame attempt to show imagined superiority to the crowd here, but my peasant plain speak was quite clear, and contrary to your blathering idiocy, did not come from a position of blindness, ignorance, or showboating.

 

Let me get some

 

I apologize for presenting arguments seemingly beyond your comprehensive skills.

I stated clearly to SuperDave: "I don't know that it's (the mint mark on coin in slab) an error, and only my personal examination would ascertain the truth" To have a belief is entirely different than a statement of fact. As in any debate which I may participate, or action for adjudication, I must present logical arguments for a supposition (a conjecture that something is true without positive proof). I've presented same for any normal objective adjudication process. I didn't state that the mint mark was a D, but the seller intentionally did, and I believed there was reason to accept his understanding.

Your paraphrased statements were: "The only "error" (in the auction document) is the sellers use of a "D", and this thread"."This (assumed coin/thread previously stated) seems pretty stupid to publicly post/offer ("pass off")"

As aforestated, the sellers use of a D was not an error, but a statement, as this thread generally isn't an error, but a supposition with proper arguments for objective adjudication. It's apparent that others understood, by their corrective explanations posted. I just wanted to determine what was the basis for your "pretty stupid" understanding, but your response is adequate for an understanding.

Realizing that this communication is a futile exercise, but a final attempt to determine community thoughts, I'll leave to contact the seller and auction winner to ascertain truths. I again apologize for the confusion, and trust you may partially understand/accept.

JMHO

 

I believe that coin will turn out to be a S. IF it was a D all you have to do is email PCGS and they will review it if you provide pictures and if they think its worth a second look will have you send it in to them. If you are right they will fix it for free, ship it back for free, and even send you a check for the cost of mailing them the coin, so you literally can get it fixed for free. There's no reason not to do this considering the added value.

If they disagree still, there's likely a reason why. The massive picture you mentioned is no longer in the listing and the pictures there aren't nearly good enough to conclusively determine anything, but the fact that someone wouldn't have that fixed for free given the value difference strikes me as odd.

As far as the bidding on it, it's ebay. He presented the coin as a D, someone can take a chance to get a look at it in hand and if they disagree the seller is on the hook for the return shipping shipping as well.

 

@imrich You're putting forth the supposition that the coin could be a D. Therefore, it is also your rightful responsibility to at least try to back up your belief, positive or not. All else aside, the simple fact that you bid on it and started this thread does not suggest neutrality on the issue.

With that said, perhaps I should explain the post that so offended you...

-"The only "error" I'm seeing is the seller's use of a "D", and perhaps this thread".

This, using your poor choice in wording, simply means that the coin, from what evidence it has provided and in my opinion, is not a D. Meaning it is not, as you've proposed, an "error", slab or otherwise. Now, if the should-be obvious is becoming clear, let's move on to sentence two...

-"Intentional or accidental it's hard to say for sure, but this would seem a pretty stupid one to try to pass off".

Now this means that I don't know, for certain, if the seller was trying to pull a fast one or simply made a mistake, especially since no mention was made in the description. There simply isn't enough information provided for one to come to an educated conclusion. The latter part simply means that it would be "stupid" for him, if trying to scam someome, to go about it in this manner. I now realize you found this part to be "stupid", but the fact is that out of all the ways one could attempt to pass an S off as a D, this would be one if the STUPIDest. It would also be equally stupid for a seller to offer in this manner and risk leaving a significant amount of money (in context... this isn't a welcome mat) on the table.

Is this really that hard to understand? I make a conscious effort to try to post in a very plain manner so that anyone reading can easily understand what is being said. Considering your, ahem, "tendencies", I would think such every day language wouldn't trip you up so badly, but apparently that's not the case. Nothing I said warranted such a ridiculous response, even from you, and had you wished for a better explanation from me, you simply could have asked. But no... idiocy wins the day.

And you still haven't presented anything that furthers the idea that the coin could, in fact, be a D, and I shouldn't have to explain why to someone on your level. After all, peasants didn't educate the lords. I'm clearly just a moron, and this moron isn't going to do this one for you.

 

Is it just me, or is it any time there is a thread with the most recent comment by either books or rich, and it has 2 or more pages, you could bet money it's an argument going on even before reading it - and win the bet just about every time.

 

What Doug said.

 

and i am HRH emperor spock you may call me your majesty out of love and affection

 

This is the best evidence you could present that, despite your undeniable numismatic success and considerable personal skills, you have no clue whatsoever what comprises a vibrant, creative and progressive online community.

Then again, the proof is all around us. I'm a big boy - the atmosphere doesn't offend me enough not to post here - but for the life of me I cannot understand how you can endorse this as a "good" way to do things.

 

I don't see this as an endorsement. More of an observation of what goes on and human nature in general.

 

Did I, in my initial response, say anything rude or argumentative to the OP? Was said post warranting of such a response? Perhaps you should look at the big picture before, again, injecting yourself into something that has nothing to do with you.

Isn't there a need for another thread pointing out laughably poor counterfeits based solely upon their look? After all, whenever I see a Numismat post, one could bet money on that is what it's about and win almost every time. Oh, wait, I'm sorry... saying such a thing would be pigeonholing you and seriously stretching the facts, wouldn't it?

 

Most of the threads I start are regarding counterfeits. I don't mind being stereotyped based on that because that is where most of my numismatic energy is directed - furthering education of the community on fakes.

Just the same way you see a predictable trend with my threads, other people notice and "pigeonhole" you as someone that always gets into arguments.
It's really not that hard to have a discussion with someone without going the extra mile to add in personal attacks and veiled insults, which is exactly what leads to this predictable argumentative pattern that people observe over and over again.

And even if you're not the one starting with personal attacks and veiled insults (which you often are, such as in this thread), responding with the same is not good for anyone and only serves to send the thread in question straight down the toilet.

Takes two to tango, but only one to stop the dance.

 

Sometimes it takes a healthy debate for others to counter the often faulty information that is given out as fact on all forums . Sure it would be great if the same could be achieved without arguing , but we live in the real world with real people and arguments sometimes happen . JMHO .