Julius Caesar denarius

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Swervo513, Jan 10, 2016.

  1. Bojan

    Bojan Well-Known Member

    700$ wow But it's nice to have coin of julio Cesar.

    Q: Coins with julio Cesar can you found only in italy or they made also in siscia or some different place? Provincial roman coin you can found only in that province where they made or you can found all over? (if you guys know what I want to ask)
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    My only portrait coin of JC:
    Julius Caesar 7 a.jpg
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    If I understand the question correctly: Caesar used several mints including a mint that traveled with him. His coins were paid to soldiers who would have scattered them wherever they were sent next so the coins made in Rome might have traveled to Spain or Africa as well as those from Spain or Africa could have traveled to Rome or a hundred other places before the last of them were buried for us to find. Add to that the posthumous coins issued by Octavian or Antony and the soldiers of theirs that once fought for Caesar and you could find the things anywhere.

    I got a great chuckle out of the coin below currently up for sale online which is quite possibly the worst of its type. I can not dispute or prove that claim. It is what it is. Still, it would not be my worst coin (close, though). I'm not bidding but I would like to know the realization.
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  5. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Assuming there are no 'issues', the OP JC portrait is terrific and retailed for what I might expect---although a bit high for my current budget on a single coin.

    And all the other posts are fantastic !!

    I'm 'settling' for a 'commemorative' JC and Augustus portrait---as long as it falls well below $600.00 LOL
     
  6. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    A few more Caesar Gaul and captives for the thread.

    I think it is very interesting that the 448/2 type is dedicated on both sides to positive war themed Gaulish designs and lacks anything Roman apart from the monnier's name.

    Caesar Denarius Captive Waddell 8-2013 PS.jpg L Hostilius Saserna Denarius Vercingetorix 448-2a Kunker 2014.jpg Caesar Denarius Trophy Rev Kunker.jpg Caesar Denarius Venus & Cupid HJB 2010 PS.jpg
     
  7. Swervo513

    Swervo513 Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your replies. I really need a usb microscope camera. Upon closer inspection I noticed a faint outline of an "s" behind the neck. However it seems so worn away that it's barely visible. When buying I asked the dealer if it was a fouree. He said that he believed the lamented edges were indicative of a heavy wearing down. But, thinking back he may have said that in order to sell the coin. I have purchased a "croc of nemausus" coin from this dealer before. They are called "pegasi numismatics". They're one of the dealers I trust more at the show and usually have fair prices. I let my excitement at the thought of owning a Julius Caesar portrait coin get the better of me and it seemed like a good price at the time comparing it to others I had seen at the show. The description says the coin was minted in 44Bc. That means it would have been in Julius Caesars life time correct?
     
  8. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Unfortunately no, this is a posthumous issue struck in 40 BC.
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  10. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Looks like a great coin S 513, we all want the image of Julius on the bust. all i have is a bronze and fourree of him without his image.

    Caesar and Parthia 009_opt.jpg

    Julius Caesar, 46-45 BC.
    Obv. Winged bust of Victory, star in left field.
    Rev. Minerva advancing.
    26 mmx 14.02g.
     
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  11. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    I'm in agreement with Volodya here. Lifetime issuance, as well as artistry, are two factors (among many) in whether an ancient coin appeals to certain collectors.

    If part of your focus in collecting ancient coins is to appreciate the artistry and engraving quality of those times, then you'll naturally want to find coins whose obverse portraits exhibit better "style" than others of the same type. This coin is one of those:

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    While the coin can be characterized as being of a "common" type, most of these coins exhibit portraits that aren't nearly as well rendered as the above portrait.

    Compare this portrait to the two coins below, being offered currently on VCoins for $12,000 and $6,500 respectively:

    JC 12000 USD.jpg

    JC 6500 USD.jpg

    Neither of these two coins has, at least to my eye, as good a portrait of Julius Caesar as the first coin shown above. So despite the poorer condition of the first coin, for me it would be a more desirable coin simply for the portrait quality.
     
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  12. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    I can see why you liked that portrait better but the last one is sharper and details more refined.

    First one is better to my eyes than 2nd one though.
     
  13. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    It would be interesting to see how other Cointalk members feel about the relative artistic style (portrait) of these three Julius Caesar denarii (not the condition -- clearly coins 2 and 3 are better condition).

    So, who else wants to volunteer their preference?
     
  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    My preference would be 3, 2, 1 based on portrait style.
     
  15. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    1,3, and then 2, IMHO.
     
  16. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    The difference of artistic views are quite interesting, indicating just how subjective artistry is! My preference on style is 1, 2, 3, with 1 being very significantly ahead of 3. To me, #2's face is more refined than 3 but the smile is a bit off-putting. The Caesar denarii of the portrait style of the third coin have never been at all appealing to me, although they are quite popular.

    I'm very curious as to the responses of others!
     
  17. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    1, 3 and 2. The smile puts me off. Great coins everyone. I only have an elephant, no portraits here.
     
  18. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    1 by some margin, then 3 and 2.
     
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  19. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    A few more portraits:

    Phil (135).JPG
    Phil (136).JPG
    Phil (137).JPG
     
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  20. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    I found a photo of your little minting enterprise. Can you make an aureus for me?

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  21. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I'm with 'Z' and the 1, 3 and 2 preference.....both for I'O'M's and Volodya's postings.
     
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