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Disney Dollars mimic U.S. Dollars, and U.S. Dollar coins mimic Chuck E. Cheese tokens.

From the Reserve Bank of New Zealand website:

At least they've got the right idea.

 

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I think we'll have to sit back and watch this one work out all the kinks, if the gov't has a problem with the liberty dollar because of its design and appearance and the threat of confusing citizens, then by all means I appreciate them trying to protect us. However, I think that if this fight against Liberty Dollars is based on protecting the Govt and the huge revenue they generate through the Mint and Federal Reserve and maintaining a monopoly, Then SHAME on the govt and their tyrrany. If they are just trying to squash this bug before it gets big, I hope that bug bites, stings, and irritates like crazy! Give me Liberty or Give me Death... lol

Just another nickels worth of my opinion...

Whats yours?

 

These are clearly labelled "Negotiable", and the back clearly says "Warehouse Receipt". I don't think anybody would be fooled into believing this was MPC. You can't spend MPC anywhere anyway.



I think Liberty Dollars is an experiment to prove a currency backed by precious metals can work. They aren't trying to replace u.s. dollars or put the mint/BEP out of a job. They're trying to raise awareness for their political aim of ending the Federal Reserve Act, which ended our currency being based on silver and established a strictly fiat-based system. I don't think they'll succeed in successfully changing the government's mind, (the bep/mint makes too much profit to back out now), but I don't think returning the dollar to silver is such a bad idea for everyday consumers. People label NORFED as anti-government, but I disagree. Plenty of people would like to see a return to a backed currency.

edited to add: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w0LOtWmy_o

 

SHOOT.... do they even use MPC anymore? I know all we had downrange was US $$ and Iraqi dinars....

 

SanMiguel,Bernard von NotHaus is a very controversial character.It sounds like he runs a funny private 'mint' in his garden shed.

Aidan.

 

nope...no mpc since the 70's. the pogs we use don't fall under MPC because they are considered aafes gift certificates, and the military doesn't pay us with them. (thank God)

true, but the same can be said of Leonard George Casley, aka HRH Prince Leonard of the Hutt River Principality. hutt river issues silver coins all the time, including a 1993 bill clinton coin that was almost an exact copy of the u.s. half dollar coin. the u.s. mint didn't complain about it, and you're a supporter of hutt river. if von nothaus issued these liberty dollars in a british commonwealth country, i'm willing to wager you'd be more accepting of them!

 

So far the only thing i have found is that the BEP doesnt like the Liberty Dollars looking so much like the US dollar and Coinage. I really wish Aidan would STOP saying that if you use the 'money' you will be put in jail. You are SO wrong. as dak pointed out, you can barter with anything you want as long as BOTH sides agree to its terms.

 

SanMiguel,the Principality of Hutt River's Bill Clinton Inauguration commemorative medal-coin is not deceptive,as it is a commemorative for a living President of America.

There's a big difference between Hutt River & NORFED,as Hutt River is an independent country with its own government.

Aidan.

 

one of the arguing points was that liberty coins closely resembled u.s. coins. so does the hutt river coin.





the liberty coin is an ounce of copper, looking like an enormous penny, and the design is unlike any previously issued u.s. coin. the hutt river coin is more like u.s. coins than this. from their website:



even if you try to fool people into believing it's "the new dollar", you won't find many takers. people take what they know. i had a hard time spending SBA dollars in california. an ice cream man laughed at me and told me it was canadian. the one place that eventually took it was due to the manager recognizing what it was and telling the cashier it was ok. i even remember a cashier once calling a manager to question an old-style $100.

the u.s. mint has no problem making their own bullion rounds with denominations, even though they aren't meant for circulation. but they won't throw me in jail if i sold my car for 16,000 silver eagles. the same should apply to these denominated bullion rounds made by a private company.

 

The acid test:
Do casinos accept them?

 

Casinos up here used cards, and not coins. I was hoping to go coin hunting at a casino one day and my hopes were shattered.

 

SanMiguel,thanks for posting that picture of the Hutt River coin.The denomination is the giveaway that it isn't an American coin,plus the fact that the $1/2 source design has inspired the designer to add a commemorative inscription combined with the U.S. Coat-of-Arms.

Aidan.

 

Aiden if you cant see the similarities between the 2 then I am afraid you need to visit the optician, it is a rip off of the US half, it cant get much closer.

 

It purports to be inflation proof....

 

Steve,the same situation applies with the Maria Theresa Thaler restrikes & the Eritrean Tallero.The Tallero is like the Hutt River coin as depicted - mimicking the original design to a large degree.

Aidan.

 

Aidan what has that got to so with this !! How many members of the UN regognise Hutt River as a country? there coinage is to use your own terms medal coins, they are not real you know. If I go to any of the London clearing houses will I find the Hutt river currency listed?
SanMiguel checked out your notes and see what you mean about there been quite a few others out there & not just the liberty $$ one thing though most of those seemed to be in exchange for time and did not guarentee the currency with preciouse metals, could it be this that the mint is frightend of? (Frightend might be the wrong terminology but i think most will undersand my meaning)

 

Amazingly enough...I can still get pogs both in the hospital shoppette and AAFES in change is I wanted.....

Must be a lot of us still hoarding them....I found $1.10 worth in the garage over the weekend in fact.... lol

 

SapperNurse,the U.S. pogs are getting listed in Pick,but I wish the British ones were also listed in Pick as well,as they're like banknotes to a certain degree.

Aidan.

 

thinking things over, i think both sides are correct...they're just not speaking the same language.

if you walk into a walmart and try to spend liberty dollars, you will be arrested. no arguing that. more than one person has been arrested trying to spend million dollar novelty bills with the statue of liberty on it. if you try to pass liberty dollars off as genuine currency, you've broken the law and will go to jail whether or not you knew liberty dollars weren't made by the mint. the mint's position is that the motto and other design features closely resemble u.s. coin features, and people would be inclined to pass them off.

however, the other side of the story is that if someone walked into a store that has this sign in the window:

that person can spend them as he pleases in that place of business without breaking any laws. this is similar to spending disney dollars in nationwide disney stores, disney theme parks, and disney cruise ships.

as long as both sides accept the terms of the other, it seems like an open and shut case. i don't see why this is even an issue.

 

hmmm...i think i see the problem now. the liberty people encourage users to spend them as real money.

link: How to spend the Liberty Dollar