Pupienus and the year of the Six Emperors

those are inactive listings, so are his ebay lists. He doesn't pay a fee keeping them active on those platforms so I guess he doesn't care to take them off

I bought them off Sergey for a deal I couldn't pass. What he looks for wan't anywhere near his listed prices anyway. If you knew how much he paid for them then you can usually guess his ballpark number. Let's just say a bit cheaper than any of the other gordian I II denarii passed through auction houses this past 2 years.

As for ebay stats. They are inflated with many many items "related" to the search criterias. Less quantity usually generate proportionally higher prices. (without considering other significance that's not directly linked to availability). Further pollution include the fact some the numbers are not clearly defined. 667,067 ancient coins from what pool? There are millions of ancient coins sold through Ebay every year, and you not going to land anywhere near 242 gordian I&II. Makes zero sense...

 

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ahahaha => hey brassnautilus, I merely bought the ERIC-II book and then read what was printed inside (I didn't do the actual survey myself) ...

Cheers



Oh, and I didn't realize that you'd actually bought those two Gordian coins from that dude (man, you must have received a sweeter Christmas bonus than my big fat zero?) ... they are both extremely sweet lookin' coins!! (congrats)

 

Steve or anyone: Do you have any idea if the ERIC lists take into account that some examples have sold more than once in this century while there are old collectors who bought theirs in the 1950's and will not sell until they die without an heir who cares (I know both types - it is quite possible that there are coins that will not sell again in this century because a few lucky old guys have grandkids who will keep them). The number of anything that exists is really hard to track. All we know is a higher percentage of G I or II coins that sell get documented than do the coins of G III. If you only looked at the right class' of sales, you would be sure that G III was the rare one.

 

Hi Doug ... yah sorry, no I don't have a clue how Rasiel collected his sample?

=> oh, and although I love the ERIC-II Rarity Scale because it is at least a single data-point, I totally admit that "statistics" is a biz where you need a "random" sampling and you need a large enough sample and then you need to ensure that the data sample fits, etc, etc ... so garbage-in, garbage-out is a possibility

... but again, at least it is another data point that I consider (David Sear's estimated values are another sweet reference, but again => merely another guy's single data-point)

So again, if I'm considering a coin, then I have these two rarity estimates to help me make my poor decisions!!



=> but yah, I'm the first dude to admit, that I usually merely surf old-sales and/or current available coins to determine which one is comin' home to Pa-Pa!!

So no, I don't know how the ERIC-II sample was collected ... ummm, but I think one of us is kinda tight with the dude? (is it Gil-galad?) ... for some reason I recall him saying that he occasionally talks with Rasiel (the author of ERIC-II) ... but I could be wrong (sadly, it has happened)

 

I'm not sure how exactly Rasiel came up with the lists, but I think the rankings are roughly right. I think Pescennius Niger (#134) should be rarer than Pertinax (#137). I think Gordians I and II (#142 & #143) should be rarer than Didius Julianus (#145). This is just a feeling based on how hard it is for me to find these emperors. But everybody is roughly where they belong in the rankings.

 

Nice, and how can one find that ERIC-II Rarity Scale?

 

Does anybody have the link (I suck at searching)

 

Well, there's this:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=ERIC+-+Rarity+Tables

Is this the most recent rankings?

 

Hey dawg => this may be an old thread, but it'll get ya rollin' ...

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-eric-iis-comparative-rarity-table.245165/#post-1897316

 

wow => photo-finish, "Smeagol"

you rock

gotta go

cheers

 

I think your table is more recent Gol. The Gordians are where I predicted they should be in relation to Didius Julianus. And Pesc Niger is now rarer than Pertinax.
I knew I was right. The Force is strong in me

 

And wow, my Uranius is at #194.

 

Yah, that ol' thread of mine shows the original .... ummm, but I'm pretty sure that it was either Jango or Gil-galad that had an updated version (the 670,000 coin version)

=> ummm, not that it changes too much, but it would be nice if somebody had the revised/newest version ...

*whatev*

cheers, gang

 

Didius AR clearly more rare than niger, the later was known to have struck a lot of coins for his short reign, There are also clearly more than twice the amount of Didius AR compared to Gordian I. Acsearch and the amount of hits indicate things.

These rarity table are bs, except on the types with clear counts. There are 80ish Macer (he only made denarius), yet it shared the same rarity level as domitila? Tranquillina's denarius same rarity as Matidia Domitilla Caligula and Claudius? Come on...

 

Hey, brassnautilus => dude, you should keep going and create another data-point (that would be awesome, eh?) ... then we'd have a David Sear, an ERIC-II and a brassnautilus data-point (oh, and perhaps Doug could also make a list? => a 4th data point)

Yah, I don't think I'll attempt making a stevex6 data-point (ummm, although every distribution needs a few extreme outliers to make a sweet bell-curve shape)



ummm, or we could just call all of them bs?

 

Without actual mintage or population numbers, one has to do the best one can with the available information. ERIC II is as about good as we're going to get. There's nothing wildly inappropriate about the rankings... It's not as though Romulus Augustus is ranked as common as Constantine. I'm keen to see a similar table for provincials.

 

Greg, I really don't know if a tet is rarer or not, just that It's less expensive. But it would be nice to know.

Doug Hill

 

I am only going by personal experience, but when i see a Gordian I or II offered, it's usually either a sestertius or a denarius. On Numisbids.com right now, there's four Gordian I & II coming up - a denarius, a sestertius, a limes denarius and a curious AE32 provincial issue from Cilicia. No tets.

That the tet - while probably rarer - is cheaper, likely comes down to collectors' preferences for imperial rather than provincial coins.

 

Regarding the rarity of Pescennius Niger: Most rare emperors come to market in relatively few types. We see a lot of the common types whever a coin of theirs is sold. Pescennius is different. If a person or institution with deep pockets decided to buy one example of every type that came to market, a Didius collector could get all 4 of the RIC listings on one page and have the denarii. RIC lists 94 Pecennius numbers and many have letter subtypes so their listing takes 17 pages. It is much worse than that. A specialist collector of Pescennius will certainly have many coins not in RIC. I only have two of his coins and one is unlisted.

Pescennius issued a lot of coins and should be as common as the Eastern Septimius I collect but it appears they were withdrawn from circulation and many type exist as one example. A large museum like the BM and a few specialist collectors could own a substantial percentage of the coins that exist.

 

How's the total amount of survived Niger compared to Didius?
The ERIC table also listed Pertinax AR same as those 2. and also Annia Faustina AR???