1824 half dollar

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  1. Profit man

    Profit man Active Member

    has this coin been cleaned? And how long does a coin take to retone like this? image.jpg image.jpg
     
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  3. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    A chance to show my ignorance, but what the heck. I'll learn from the comments of others. It doesn't look cleaned to me, just been around the block many times.
    Steve
     
  4. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    For the first part of your question: I think it has been cleaned, but maybe an older cleaning?
    For the second part: that is hard to tell, it's all about the chemistry of the coin and also whether that is natural or artificial. I would've assumed that the toning is from an old holder, but then I see some toning on the shield but not on the obverse which is why I think it was cleaned.

    I would not take my input as truth as I've not studied these enough and do not know toning the way some of the guys here do.
     
  5. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    Does the wear pattern seem peculiar to anyone? That the reverse detail is pretty much there, but the obverse is so heavily worn? Yet the obverse denticles are all there and they are hardly visible on the reverse?
    Steve
     
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  6. Profit man

    Profit man Active Member

    also is this the 1824/1 overdate? Thanks for all input.
     
  7. wiggam007

    wiggam007 Cut-Rate Parasite

    At this grade, the reverses of bust halves generally have more detail than the obverse. To me this looks to be a G-4.

    Looks to me like it is, although it is not the rare pairing. O-101a would be my call based on the die cracks on the reverse. R.2 according to my edition. Of course, I always like to get a confirmation from someone else haha.
     
  8. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

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  9. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Not really; Bust Halves have little variance in relief on the obverse, and after a certain level of wear pretty much everything disappears at once. The surfaces are, to my mind, cleaned and retoned decades ago.
     
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  10. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Wahoo, this supports my guess at an older cleaning. Thanks!
     
  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It happened really_slowly; the color progression is very advanced, yet the band of toning rather narrow. Seems to me like it might have sat obverse-out in an album for a long time.
     
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  12. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    old time cleaning, nicely retoning
     
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  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Old cleaning then in an album for years
     
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  14. mouse

    mouse Active Member

    It appears to have been cleaned however, it is hard to tell. This coin is 191 years old which means in theory it could have been cleaned years ago, but then had enough time to tone over again it give it the appearance of never having been cleaned. That would make this an old cleaning. The time a coin takes to tone depends. It depends on the chemistry of the silver/gold/alloy and also conditions that the coin has been stored under(for example if it was stored in a area of high humidity this would influence the rate at which the coin toned). This also influences the color a coin tones so this is almost impossible to say. It is a beautiful coin that has had a long an interesting history.
     
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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    You guys don't know anything. First, she wasn't cleaned, she was "conserved." Second, she's MS64, that's "cabinet friction." Get on the ball, will you? :)
     
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  16. anderspud

    anderspud Active Member

    The comments about cleaning seem moot. If someone cleaned this coin, it was not very thorough. Despite a long career it looks good---leave it alone.
     
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  17. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    ah, I just noticed who the OP is, never mind
     
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