Brockage---Legionary Style

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mikey Zee, Dec 15, 2015.

  1. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I don't have any brockages but I did recently reshoot my Marc Antony denarius. Looks like Legion X at first but on closer inspection is actually Legion XV struck with a worn die.
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  3. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Probably my last post here....The OP coin is now past my original sole bid of $20.00 and just now under my maximum at $23.00 It seems one other person has the same value/interest parameters as I do.

    I'll post the sole legionary denarius I still have (from the original sellers photo----gasp, slabbed LOL).
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  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That's a great coin, Mikey. I'm not sure it's a good idea to post coins you're currently bidding on in this forum. All it can accomplish is generating interest, and possibly more bidders. There are many who post here, but many, many more that lurk. A reverse-image search easily discovers where the auction is on the web.
     
  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Mikey-Z => hey, did you win it? (hopefully, for it's a sweet coin)

    :rolleyes:
     
  6. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I only have one brockage. A COS II Septimius Severus.

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    Martin
     
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  7. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    brockage coin and legion denarius..both on the list. :watching:
     
  8. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Not yet. I'll let you all know if I do.
     
  9. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    I don't get why the craftman would ignore the fact a coin is stuck on the die.
    Didn't they hammer one at a time? If nothing came out after hammering, wouldn't they had checked beneath the die and see if the coin was stuck?

    A side question, hopefully it's appropriate to ask here.
    Some of these smaller denominations are really tiny, 6 or 7mm diameter. Were those produced in a miniature fashion, on table top with miniature tools? They couldn't had tweezers in those days (lack of elastic alloys), I wonder how they picked up small chunks of hot metal.
     
  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

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    => get to work, Gregor!!
     
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  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I don't know if they had spring-hard alloys but they did know how to make tongs.

    Here are some depicted on coins. I'd guess they had appropriately smaller tongs for the itty bitty flans.

    Tongs behind Vulcan's head on this Republican denarius of moneyer L. Caesius.
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    Tongs on this denarius of T. Carisius. The reverse shows the implements of striking coins.
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    I suspect the errors have more to do with the incredible speed and volume of production. They probably weren't considering the preferences of collectors two thousand years later :D.
     
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  12. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I like number 2 more and more each time I see it.
     
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  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    These are both beautiful (just in case I haven't told you before).
     
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  14. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Bing's got that exactly right.

    The first looks more like a perfect 'medallion' to me than a coin, and the second is simply stunning......Beautiful is definitely the right word for both.
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Both are nice coins but the main virtue of the Carisius is that it is genuine. Nine out of ten we see are the common fakes that are making the rounds. Learn the centering and the flaw at obverse left and don't buy this one!!!
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  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  17. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    my favorite brockage and octavian
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  18. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Someday I'll get a cool brockage. I had hoped to acquire this one in NAC 84:

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    Upon seeing the catalog it was obvious that the estimate of 750 CHF was ridiculously low but it realized a price (5250 CHF) far beyond my max :(.
     
  19. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    I'm sure they could make bigger tongs but it's hard to imagine they could craft small hand tools. Looking at (both) the tong depictions, they were rather large, with long handles and for dual handed operations.

    I suspect the smaller coins were made with different process / tools. For starter they wouldn't need to strike those thin flans all that hard...
     
  20. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Well, it turns out I did...for just under $30.00 shipped, which was my maximum.
     
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  21. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

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