1964 washington quarter type c over b?

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  1. jakchota

    jakchota Active Member

    Hi, i have a washington quarter that i have noticed that has a type b on the STATE(S) and the type c STATE(S) "in (__) is what i am refering to which shows two types of reverses on one. i am going to upload some pictures i have to give you an idea of what the quarter consists of.. let me know your input on this! I have included a photo of all three reverses for you to see! and no its not a type a because the arrows and tail feathers are VERY SHARP IMG_2749.JPG IMG_2750.JPG IMG_2751.JPG IMG_2752.JPG IMG_2815.JPG IMG_2816.JPG IMG_2817.JPG IMG_2857.JPG IMG_2858.JPG IMG_3001.JPG
     
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  3. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    I would say not even close to a Type B or C...just a regular, worn silver quarter. Not sure how you could look at the reference pictures and think your quarter is B or C...it's definitely the normal Type A.

    I am seeing what looks like it might be doubling in a couple photos...of course, that could also be damage given the state of your coin.
     
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  4. jakchota

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    yes there are signs of damage and wear. but if you look at the details on the reverse for the dollar its been filled in and damaged and for the type a "doll(A)r has one wide leg when this has two narrow legs. the e pluribus unum is blunted like type b and c not rounded like type a.. you have to look at the detailing better and yes my pictures arent the greatest but def stands out to show details! in the do(L)lar you will see that the leaf is touching the l unlike type a its away. type b and c show presence of it being touched. there is no sign of doubling. i have a type b reverse that is a DDR and a DDO with a RPM D which i will send in to NGC to be appraised. i have many opinion saying its just a type b doubled, and some say its a type c over b but they said to have many numismatic professionals to look at this new variety to be appraised.

    Thank you for your input! i have had david from NGC say its a type a doubling and doesnt know if its a type b or c due to the blurry pictures i have emailed him. he suggested to send it in for further research and inspection.
     
  5. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Out of the hundreds of Type B quarters I've owned and sold (I think I currently own about 150) I would say this coin is not even close to being a Type B. It wouldn't surprise me that someone from a TPG wouldn't know how to tell any given variety...as many coin dealers I have met have no idea the variety even exists, which is why I've been able to cherrypick so many.

    The easiest way to tell the difference between an A and B reverse is to look at the eagle's left (viewer's right) wing tip. On an A reverse, the wing tip will blend into the background and be poorly defined. On a B reverse, the wing tip is extremely strong and will have a pointed tip. Your coin is a Type A.
     
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  6. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    One more thought:

    I wouldn't personally send this coin (if I thought it might be a new variety, or a minor one) to NGC. They have a specific list of varieties that they will attribute, and if it ain't on the list, it ain't going on the label. Found that out the hard way with a 1956 Proof Washington Quarter Rev Die Gouge. (PCGS attributes it, NGC doesn't, unless they've added it in the last few months.) Your coin exhibits nothing majorly interesting for which I can see NGC going, "We should immediately add this to the list!"

    If you are certain you see doubling, or just have to know if it a Type A/B/C, and want it attributed, I'd send it to John Wexler. He will attribute it for $4/coin, and then send it to ANACS if you want it graded/attributed on a holder. If you sent it straight to ANACS, chances are they'd turn around and send it straight to Mr. Wexler to attribute it. For $4 a coin, I think that's worth getting a question answered by a true expert who studies varieties for a living.

    If it turns out to be something new/cool, more power to you and I will be the first to congratulate you. But I've seen lots and lots of Type B quarters (and a lot fewer Type C - but they are much, much harder to find) and from the photos you've provided, your coin is, at best, a minor Type A Rev DDR in circulated condition.
     
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  7. jakchota

    jakchota Active Member

    my type b 1964. IMG_1291.PNG IMG_1294.PNG

    this is my type c IMG_1742.JPG
    look at the wing as you said.. hmm makes sense.....
     
  8. jakchota

    jakchota Active Member

    and yes i have spent countless hours staring at type a/b/c i scrolled through thousands of 64 quarters and i found these.
     
  9. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    I would agree - that 1964 def has the Type B reverse. And the first one is still a Type A. :)

    Here is an NGC MS64 1964 Type B for reference:

    1964 Type B Washington Quarter NGC MS64.jpg
     
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  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Well, if the pickups posted at the top of the thread are accurate for the three types, the coin in question is undoubtedly a Type A.
     
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  11. jakchota

    jakchota Active Member

    one way to find out.. WEXLER.... so like you said anacs will send it to him regardless?
     
  12. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    When you send him coins, you can include the option for him to send them straight to ANACS after attribution. Screenshot from the above linked page on Mr. Wexler's site:

    Screen Shot 2015-12-15 at 11.33.33 PM.png
     
  13. jakchota

    jakchota Active Member

    does he have a contact number? or i should just send it out to him with a paper work stating what i have? or would it be easier to send it to ANACS and they send it to him?
     
  14. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    I think the first thing you should do is read...the...information...on...the...linked...page.

    IMO, sending it to him will save you time (if it's a variety, it will have to be attributed anyway) and possibly grading fees (if it's nothing, it won't get graded and you'll only be "out" $4.) If you send it straight to ANACS, they gonna charge ya to grade it and attribute it, and then you'll have a low grade Type A Washington Quarter you'll have to crack out and eventually sell at melt.
     
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  15. jakchota

    jakchota Active Member

    thanks i missed out on that part. i dont see what type of payments he accepts.
     
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