Is this Morgan authentic?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by dragondance, Dec 12, 2015.

  1. dragondance

    dragondance Member

    I am just starting to collect Morgans after a good percent of my Trade Dollar collection was completed, but I am now suspicious that some of my Morgan Dollars may be fakes. These are two images of Morgans that I recently bought off off the internet. Is it fake and what is its likely grade?
     

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  3. McBlzr

    McBlzr Sr Professional Collector

    First test is try a magnet on it to see if it sticks to it. If so FAKE. Second test is to check around the rim area to see if it looks like it was made in a mold. Usually molded FAKES are made with lead & non magnetic.
     
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  4. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I'd really, really like to see better photos; any chance you could kindly post some? First, it looks ungodly terrible.... yet something tells me it might be (or should I say have been) a genuine coin, but heavily and poorly worked on. Either way, if you truly purchased this at any sort of premium and as a collectible, it was an unfortunate move.
     
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  5. dragondance

    dragondance Member

    I am just breaking into Morgans so forgive me for my lack of knowledge. I will post pictures once I actually get the coin. Those were the pictures on the website. It was listed as a DMPL.
     
  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Since you're new to Morgans, I don't recommend buying raw coins on the internet. You should stick to certified coins by NGC, PCGS and maybe ANACS. Once you are able to familiarize yourself with what a legitimate coin should look like, then you are less apt to waste your money on counterfeit coins.

    Chris
     
  7. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Slabbed coins are always good for two things -- someone with experience says it is for real and it has not/has been cleaned or otherwise altered.
     
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  8. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    Did someone color in the fields with a black Sharpie?
     
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  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Scans suck to be able to tell of real [genuine]
     
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  10. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Hope you didn't overpay for it. It's really hard to say for absolute certain though without seeing clear pics. If you're new to Morgans, you came to the right place. icon_smile_pics.gif
     
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  11. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    I see a dmpl morgan but the pics do look a little "enhanced". What are you guys thinking, that it could be a California special?
     
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  12. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    No, a China special. laughhard.gif
     
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  13. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    What am I missing? It isn't even 4am yet and I've barely started my coffee but I'm not seeing a counterfit. Am I blind?
     
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  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    No. I'm seeing one terrific 1883-O. Don't know how reflective it is, but it's a heck of a coin. Anyone who knows how to interpret scanned images can see that.
     
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  15. wcoins

    wcoins GEM-ber

    When you see a coin like this, you can only ask yourself, why isn't this coin in a slab?
     
  16. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    The Morgan looks nice for a DMPL, but the bruising on the face looks pitted. Would like to see several more pictures at different angles.
     
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  17. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    What Chris and Santini said is oh so true.
     
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  18. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    "Morgans that I recently bought off off the internet". Were they on ebay? Do you know if the dealer is reputable?
     
  19. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I think it's real , but I haven't compared it to any known die marriages for the date , with that said I agree with Books that it has been "enhanced" in some way maybe puttying or in another way . Will wait on the in hand pics to make a final judgement . I also say if you don't know the series buy from a reputable dealer or buy a slabbed coin .
     
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  20. littlehugger

    littlehugger Active Member

    It has a cameo look to it, which was rare long ago. Used to be, only the first coins on a new die were frosted before the die wore. That is why frosted cameos were. and still get, premium prices. Nowadays, its to be expected.
    I am no Morgan expert, but I feel the same as the poster who asked why this was not in a slab. Authenticating and verifying make a coin of this nature several orders of magnitude more valuable.
     
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  21. wcoins

    wcoins GEM-ber

    I don't like the rim of the coin. Look closely.
     
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