Puzzling 1961 D Cent

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by bsowa1029, Dec 11, 2015.

  1. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    Someone posted this coin on Instagram wondering what's going on with it. No one really knew, so I was hoping the experts here could figure it out.
    They are saying the diameter is larger than a 'normal' cent but thickness is the same. Weight is 3.1 g.
    These are all the pics that the person posted:
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  3. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    I'm on IG as well, have been looking for some decent numismatic related pages, but haven't found much
     
  4. 2Old

    2Old Active Member

    Looks like a "encased coin". It once occupied the center of an aluminum or steel ring on which was stamped a message or advertising slogan.
     
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  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    How could an encased coin become larger in diameter?

    Chris
     
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  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    True!
    Now we know for a fact that it could not be minted that way unless it was Broadstruck out of collar. Maybe it was crushed just slightly in a vise between 2 pieces of leather, so not to disturb the Reverse and Obverse images.. that could of caused the larger diameter.
     
  7. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    not possible at the mint.

    Must be PMD, by elimination
     
  8. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    Yeah there's not much in the way of education. Pretty much just people showing off their collections and silver stacks.
     
  9. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    That's not too bad though. At present, my IG timeline is just booty, booty and more booty. The Tumblr feed is even worse.
     
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  10. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Some of those encased cents were put in the outer ring and then softly struck to merge the cent to the ring. Maybe the strike was soft enough to not damage the design but forced the diameter outwards. If it were heated this would be doable. Also, for a 61 this cent looks VERY flat. They were usually in very high relief. Evidence?
     
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  11. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    If it wasn't flattened, it would have to have been struck with larger dies. Seems unlikely.
     
  12. Sullysullinburg

    Sullysullinburg Well-Known Member

    Wait you guys are on IG? You should follow me. @sullysullinburg1
     
  13. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Listen to yourself! Do you really believe what you are suggesting?

    Officer at a traffic stop: Why do you have a bag of marijuana on your back seat?
    Motorist: I don't know how it got there.
    Officer: Well, it didn't just fly through the window because it is closed.
    Motorist: Maybe it closed the window after if flew inside!

    Chris:wacky:
     
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  14. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Considering I have checked coins placed in such devices over the years, and have found many to be slightly larger than mint issues, yes, I am listening to myself.

    Instead of making a pot joke, how about come up with another hypothesis that would fit available facts. Are you asserting its a forgery? Mint error? What?
     
  15. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    This isn't slightly larger. It looks to be about 10% larger. I've seen the rim of an encased coin expanded slightly from the crimping, but this shows no sign of crimping. Besides, if it were stretched as you suggest, you would probably see some deformation in the devices. It wouldn't stretch perfectly without distortion. It isn't even likely that a copper, nickel-sized planchet was used because it can't fit in the coining chamber.

    The only possible explanation I can come up with isn't much better. The OP found this posted on Instagram. Is it possible that the original photo is merely a composite of two separate photos merged together, and whoever created it was intentionally trying to fool others?

    Sorry about the pot joke. I've been watching too many episodes of Cops on TV. It wasn't intended to be a slur against you.

    Chris
     
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  16. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    No problem. Maybe these old eyes just saw the size difference as smaller than you did.
     
  17. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    This is a common alteration known as a "Texas cent". The cent was flattened between two relatively soft surfaces, like leather.
     
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  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Encased. The telltale sign of that is the groove in the edge.
     
  19. 2Old

    2Old Active Member

    I stand corrected, as Mike stated it's a "Texas Cent".
     
  20. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    All you folks missed the obvious!

    The 1962-D is simply smaller............... 3Devil.gif
     
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  21. Jdiablo30

    Jdiablo30 Well-Known Member

    JGD_Coins give me a follow
     
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