I just dont get it!!!!!Grrrrrr

Mine is the only pictured VNA specimen on the site that I'm aware of and has been there over a year.

 

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Virtually every single Morgan issue has VNA's. Most of them are there because they haven't yet been matched with existing VAMs. VAMming is nowhere near complete; I don't think it's even possible to know how far we've come towards the goal yet. If the goal is reachable.

Which one is yours?

 

Variety is the spice of life, & Numismatics ....

 

Mine is a Peace. The '22 P. Very visible collar clash B2 reverse 6-9 o'clock

 

This is the best explanation of why varieties have a place in numismatics that I have seen.

 

Fascinating. Given the number of 1922-P's with collar clashes, I'm surprised yours hasn't gotten more attention. It's an "abnormal" location - rotated clockwise from most of them excepting possibly 2DY. I'm guessing you already eliminated that one?

 

I can understand the VAM market because there are enough Morgans in required condition to identify/attribute to a die marriage. I can even understand CAC, To a degree, even though I think its just an extra way to get money out of hard working numismatists. I only agree with CAC because there are now so many fakes, even encapsulated fakes that CAC does have it's assurances. I just don't get some of the minute varieties that are causing everyone to think they have something worth more than face. Then again what collector doesn't exaggerate on the value of their collection. I can even get the Wexler Homestead quarter that is the "Reflection" var. But this hair splitting and the time spent findings these so-called varieties could be put to better use like finding an 1983 95% copper. That's the way I view it but to each their own.
Also I will never understand who the heck would submit a clad state quarter fresh from a roll for TPG! Yes it will grade high but then you have to have extra pocket space just to carry a dollar. ROFL

 

For some numismatists - myself among them - varieties are the draw. Those minute little differences are information, and that's what it's all about.

You gotta keep a realistic perspective about what they mean, though. If there are 5000 combined Morgan and Peace VAMs, 4800 of them carry zero additional value and zero additional interest to the non-specialist. And this is something we fail to communicate to newer collectors effectively; too often it comes across as something resembling derision especially when coming from those who aren't much into die varieties and feel that "value" can only be monetary.

Thank you for framing this discussion in a more friendly fashion than that.

 

CAC relates to an agreement on the grade of the coin, not it's authenticity. Oh I'm sure if they realized the coin was a fake they wouldn't give it a sticker, but I would not assume they are examining the coin for authenticity when they look at it. And if they were to sticker a slabbed fake a buyer would not have a claim against them, just against the TPG.

 

-Superdave, What you say is a very good defense for the VAM market and I get that the information contained in any strike, as long as it can confirmed with mint records, is an outstanding specialty to our hobby. For the record I agree that less experienced collector take this view to an extreme I just feel there should be some industry standard as for when a Variety is a variety and not machine doubling.

-Condor101, I know that CAC is for the affirmation of the grade that the coin was slabbed but any even novice numismatist should be able to at least say "yes I agree that it's AU-55 or no it's AU-50" And still, when I worked at the local coin shop, I had collectors asking if a coin is cleaned. Which is surprising as the characteristics, as minute as they can be, can still be identified by the naked eye. Now if you're talking about a *details* label that I still have more to learn about. Any label that had "Details" on the slabbed we called a "Red label" but I've even owned a Dehlonghlalea (spelling?) with a ANACS slab that brought just as much premium as one with a non-details does.

----I'm just saying...........