Missed a Janus, got a Jugate...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mikey Zee, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Nice addition! My own Rufus denarius would just make the others here prettier if I posted it :)
    MZ let's team up and just focus on siliquae :troll:
     
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  3. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Fantastic examples !!!! Love the obverses, but those reverses are incredible!!!
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    gi1275fd3294.jpg I know this is no Republican but the Dioscuri even did their lounging in jugate fashion.

    Caracalla Caesar, Tomis, AE25 4 assaria
     
  5. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Seems they ride their horses in the Jugate fashion as well.

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  6. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    If you do, I will find you and I will Liam Neeson you!:vamp:
     
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  7. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    NOT in my collection, but an ex-Haeberlin coin I gave considerable thought to when it was offered by the German firm WAG in 2009. In the end the ding on the cheek killed it for me and I passed. Other than that flaw it's a terrific coin; the obverse is excellent and the reverse is truly extraordinary, easily the best I've ever seen. Clearly the coin has stuck in my mind and letting it go may have been a mistake. If it reappears I may choose differently (and probably pay a lot more for it than I would've had to six years ago, lol.)

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  8. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    WOW, simply GORGEOUS 'V' !!!! The details are stunning!!
     
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  9. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Wow! That reverse is stunning. I know what you mean by the cheek ding. It's the first thing I noticed before even marveling at the reverse.

    On occasion I've bought a coin with a bankers mark and rarely do I learn to not let it bother me. I know I probably need to be on meds or something.

    However, The Haeberlin seal of approval plus an unimprovable reverse would probably mean I'd go for it. But then that ding is just in the worst possible spot...:banghead:
     
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  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    For me it's not an issue, all things considered, and I'd think of it as an ancient 'battle scar' adding a bit of added interest (and history) to the coin just as it is.
     
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  11. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Surprisingly I guess, banker's marks don't bother me all that much. If this were a crescent or some other unmistakable mark like that, even in the same prominent place, I would've gone for it. I'm pretty sure that this is damage though, and we have no way of knowing if it's even ancient damage. Some duke's 7 year old brat may have been playing with his dad's collection in 1736.
     
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  12. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I think the cheek mark adds character, almost as if one of the Dioscuri had gotten into a fight and had a battle scar to show just what a tough guy he is. I would have gotten it if I had the opportunity and money to do so.
     
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  13. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    For the record, it realized 1050 Euro hammer, + commission.
     
  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The way the cheek mark lines up with the small cross on the upper lip makes me believe it is a banker's mark but it makes no difference since a coin like that belongs in a collection that would see the perfect reverse with exceptional style and not mind the somewhat ordinary style obverse. I do hope the buyer was buying the reverse and not just too blind to see the obverse.

    We regularly have to address the question on whether a 'fault' that was part of the coin as issued or as it was hoarded is as serious as a scrape from being dug by a shovel or porosity from cleaning too harshly. I certainly would prefer this to a coin with what dealers tend to call 'a touch or porosity'. I'm sure this rather common coin exists with a perfect obverse and I hope you find it. As for me, I'd buy that reverse if the other side were filed flat (but I wouldn't pay much for it).

    RR coins certainly come with a variety of styles. This perfect reverse die is paired with an unremarkable obverse in terms of style. Guys like me can't be picky on such things but I would expect four digit coins to offer more than being unworn. Mine is from my gathering of Stannard scoopers. It has a very nice Cupid but the scoop kept it unloved. Buying whole coins that are perfect is hard.

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  15. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Some fantastic coins all around that thread, they make me dream...
    My only coin featuring jugate portraits is that one

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    Augustus and Rhoemetalkes, Bronze
    Semi autonomous coinage of Thracia, c11BC-12AD
    KAISAROS SEBASTOU, Bust of Augustus right
    BASILEWS ROIMHTALKOU, Busts of Rhoemetalkes and his wife right
    9.82 gr
    Ref : Sear #5396

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  16. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Already bought one and another is on the way :p (If it makes you feel better they are 6th cent quarter-siliquae :D).
     
  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Well if we're doing just any old jugates, I've got a box of them in the Nabataeans. Here's a set from Rabbel II, with queens Shaqilat (his mother as regent), and Gamilat (first wife). They're not exactly pretty, but they do have distinctive style. Read all about them on my website here.

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  18. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I absolutely LOVE Bing's and Doug's last posts....

    LOVE GALLEYS, LOVE SWEARING OVER PIG, LOVE......Ah you know what I mean:greedy::D
     
  19. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    I just purchased my first Roman Republican denarius with jugate heads:smug:. It’s not as nice as the one posted by @dougsmit, but I’m pleased with my purchase. It is still in the mail, so I am using the seller photo (sorry for the small size, if I attempt to resize, it becomes out-of-focus). Can’t wait to break it out of its slab!

    Fufia 1 obv.jpg Fufia 1 rev.jpg
    Roman Republic
    , 70 BC, Q. Fufius Calenus and P. Mucius Scaevola (Cordus)
    Denarius serratus, 3.59g.
    Obv: Jugate heads of Honos and Virtus, labeled HO and VIRT respectively, KALENI below. Rx: Italia (ITAL) clasping hands with Roma (RO), CORDI in exergue.
    Ref: Cr-403/1, Syd-797, Fufia 1.

    The reverse type commemorates the reconciliation of Rome and Italy after the Social War.
     
  20. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    You bought a slab?... lol it's a nice coin ACG! ;)
     
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  21. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Absolutely terrific serrate 'A-C-G' !!! And I LOVE the historical significance!!
     
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