You say Macedon, I say Macedonia

Google "Philip of Macedon." You'll also get, "Philip of Macedonia." They're interchangeable.

 

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Unrecorded Fraction
KINGS OF MACEDON. Kassander (316-297 BC). Ae 1/4 or 1/2 Unit. Uncertain mint in Macedon.

Obv: Helmet with nose and cheek guards right.
Rev: BAΣIΛEΩΣ / KAΣΣANΔΡOΥ.
Spear head right.

Cf. SNG Copenhagen 1163; SNG Alpha Bank -.

Condition: Very fine.

Weight: 1.60 g.
Diameter: 13 mm.

 

That's right, that's the modern Republic. No two ways in describing that.

 

I think modern Macedonians are Slavic and not Greek, if I'm not mistaken.

 

I would tend to agree with John, Macedonia is the place, but its the king of Macedon.

Its not worth getting into a snit over, though. Remember we are translating these terms from Greek into English at the same time. Every language has its own rules. As long as we all know what and who we are talking about that is all that matter to me. I try to not get hung up on "proper" translations.

 

The Greeks are related by language at least to the Slavs, the Germans, and the Celts, as well. Legend, mythology, and archaeological remains show clearly they came from the Danube basin, or even further north.

 

Archeology shows Greeks come from the Danube basin? That is news to me. We have well over 5,000 years of history showing them in Greece. When did this migration occur? Remember, they predated the Celts moving into Europe.

 

Actually in the Greek text the word is in the genitive plural and should be translated as "of the Macedonians". it probably refers to the ruler, Aesillas and should, thus, be read as "Aesillas of the Macedonians". Notice the use of the letter, kappa or K. Where we use a "C" and give it a soft sound, in the ancient pronunciation it was a hard sound just as the ancient word for Celts was pronounced "Kelts" or Caesar being pronounced as "Kaisar" in classical Latin.

 

I did not notice the use of the letter kappa. But that is probably because it is all Greek to me. That is a joke.....which I am pointing out, in case the humor (humour) does not translate well. another joke....or not.

Seriously however, I speak no Latin and I don't speak Greek, keeping up with English keeps me busy enough......although these emo's say so much that I may stop wasting my time with English and just go Emo.

Sorry, I guess that wasn't serious either.

So seriously, thanks for the translation.

 

Then it's news to you, what can I tell you? Nobody knows when. The origins of the Greeks are unrecorded in history. But they called themselves "Hellenes," they came down from the north, and, just for clarity, I didn't say "the Danube basin," but "the Danube basin, or even further north." It's in the archaeological record, the legends, and the myths. What do you want from me, now, a citation to Plato or Homer? You need to read more. That's where you'll find this.

 

The above post is why emoticons are helpful. Without a grin/smile/wink, the message sounds like he was just being rude.



Regarding references, when facts are being questioned they are helpful unless the information is so basic that the simplest of searches returns the answer. We all want to learn. We all know how to use Google. If the answer is just "look it up", there's little point in even having this forum.

 

Um, maybe you need to read more as well. I just spent some time reviewing modern literature on the subject, and the Achaeans were the ones supposedly who came down from up north, but that theory is basically discredited. The predominant view today is they came from modern day Georgia/Armenian area across the Black Sea. That was my understanding at first as well. If you have modern research asserting differently, I would be open to reading it.

Not trying to start a shouting match, but maybe an actual reference or two supporting your blanket assertion instead of telling someone to "go read more" would be more helpful on a forum. I read a lot, maybe a few hundred pages a week for school, let alone work and leisure, so I am not adverse to reading. I simply do not know what YOU were reading that led you to your assertion.

 

Tell me about this. Really, I want to know. The cuisines are a match for Greek, I know that. I hadn't read this. PM me, if you'd rather. I have to get back on the job, but I'll look at it.

 

Say whaaat?

 

Bingo, I never heard that theory they came in from the east. I wonder if that's a Wikipedia theory. If it's on Wikipedia, it must be true.

 

When I first started my website years ago, I posted a coin of Alexander assigning him to one of the country names used here. As a result I received an obscene and threatening email from a proponent of Alexander belonging to the other of the two. The one thing that was said in the above postings that I can not accept is that it makes no difference. Some people take this very seriously. Political correctness is now several times more vehement than it was 15 years ago when I got that note. I suggest you all refer to him as Alexander III or the Great but avoid taking a side on that other matter unless you are willing to go to war over it.

Nearly 50 years ago, I was taught in Greek History class that, before Alexander, the people of Macedonia spoke Greek and were, therefore, allowed to participate in the Olympic Games but that most of the cities of the south considered them (and some other outlying regions) semi-barbarous and certainly not really one of the club. About five years ago, some students at the University of Virginia got in considerable trouble expressing their opinions about the relative merits of the people of West Virginia. I find it interesting just how little things have changed in 2000+ years.

 

Wait! West Virginia? Barbarous? Well maybe just a little, but we speak Greek, I mean Virginian, with just a slight twang.

 

I got mine a few months ago.

 

Very Sweet example. A more restrained hairdo than mine. Wonderful reverse. Nice photo.