Ugh, PayPal question

Paying for grading, in a situation like this, is absurd........If he wants to make that argument then let him pay for the grading. He's trying to baffle with BS........

 

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We battled all night yesterday. He's saying he isn't responsible for selling dozens of counterfeit coins (to me and numerous others) because he is not a coin collector. He also refuses to admit to them being counterfeit unless we submit all for grading, but then also return them in the same original containers. (This is impossible since you have to remove them from the container to even evaluate them). There's no way to meet this guys demands. So far we haven't figured out a way to win this battle.

 

Endeavor gave you good advice above. Get the Feds involved and see
where it goes from there.

 

LOL, the Feds ain't going to do a thing......they can't even keep airport security safe.

 

Agreed... Trying to just decide how to get our $ back.

 

I didn't say the Feds. We're not going after Al Capone here. I said do a police report. Let the seller know you are done dealing with him until he does a return and that you are calling his local police station to file a report for fraud. You have his shipping address so you need to do the report with that address's jurisdiction. Then when you get the case/report number call PayPal immediately to let them know you contacted the police and filed a report and give them the case/report number. This guy would be an idiot to not do the return. He's also looking at possible mail fraud charges on top of everything else.

 

Read my previous post. The police could arrest him if you can provide the necessary evidence.

 

Okay so this guy admitted he sold coins to others who are also complaining that they are counterfeit? LOL, this guy is a real moron if he did. What are the odds everyone is lying to screw him? Maybe going back and forth isn't such a bad idea if he's giving up info that could be used against him later. Those transactions with others were most likely done through PayPal also. Maybe PP will acknowledge there are other complaints against him.

Oh and saying you are not responsible for selling counterfeit coins because "I am not a collector" is not a valid reason to be excused. Pleading ignorance is not admissible in a court of law. If that were the case then everyone who broke the law could just say, "Oh I didn't know!".

 

This...

Sure... it may arguably warrant one today, but such a coin residing in a regular holder, especially one slabbed in the, oh, almost 25 or so years before secure was even an option, does not automatically make it a fake or even suspicious. It's a sad day when it is okay to imply a coin is counterfeit (or just suspicious), based not upon photos or evidence of any kind, but solely on the simple fact that the cert number doesn't show a photo, and it isn't in an almighty PCGS Secure holder. JMHO, of course...

 

First, please explain what proof you have that he's "selling dozens of counterfeit coins", and in particular, how you know (not just assume) he has sold them to "numerous others" as well. Since you apparently do not wish to share links (understandable, I suppose), it's only right that you explain why the above appears to contradict earlier statements....

How many supposed counterfeits from this person do you have, and exactly how did you, without question, identify them as such? I understand you earlier mentioned you identified one (more?) by weight, so I cannot help to be curious about this...

If this "PCGS dealer" recommends a certain coin be submitted and believes it genuine, may I ask how you know differently? Also, and at least in this one instance, his request that you submit cannot rightfully be called unreasonable.



This post (below) is somewhat telling imo... while it certainly does not excuse counterfeit/counterfeits, it does show that you were seeing what you wanted to instead of what was actually there. Again, possible counterfeits aside, you cannot make assumptions like this and get upset when it turns out not to be fact. By saying this, you've basically thrown away any valid complaint about the later "junk" coins.

At this point, all comes down to the supposed counterfeits. Sure, you could threaten and/or even try to file a police report, but unless you can provide absolute proof that the counterfeits were, in fact, received in the two opened rolls, don't expect much in the way of results. I've seen this type of thing before and let's just say it's a lot easier said than done. In one instance, the conned man's brother just happened to be a state cop working out of the very town the conman lived in, and while the brother did harass him a bit, the complaint went nowhere, and because without absolute proof, it was one person's word against another. From what you've said thus far, I would have to say this person was in a much stronger position than you are, especially if the other guy is aware of this thread.

You really need to ask yourself exactly how much you're willing to invest in trying to get a refund on the last two rolls. Yes, it certainly sucks that, if true, this guy would benefit from it, but sometimes your loss is really your gain, even if only in the lesson learned. I certainly wish you the very best of luck with whatever decision you make.

 

Well at the very least, if you don't get your money back, you can out this person in forums and websites such as this one so that others don't fall victim to his scam.

By the way, I forgot to ask earlier, are any of the "counterfeit" coins in the sellers photos? If they are then that would obviously make it more than your word versus his word. Good luck.

 

Where are the pics? Link to the sale?

 

What did PayPal have to say about the situation?

 

Remind me of a new "unsearched" roll seller who offered me a $1 with free shipping for a dateless flying eagle. We know where it is going, at the end of an unsearched roll. Don't buy into the scam.