Good afternoon all, Need some expert advise please. Do you think either one of these is DDO/DDR? Thank you very much for your time.
So that we don't suffer whiplash trying to look at your coins, please rotate your photos by 90 degrees and re-post them so they look like this. Along with that, please tell us what you think see and where you think you see it.
Thank you very much Rick. I will do as you suggest. I had looked at so many coins last night I thought they were straight!
Here is a zoom in on your 1972 date. It's blurry and grainy, but there appear to be "lines" running through the 1 and 9. Don't know if that is doubling or not.
Hi I have been trying to re-do my scans of the coins and have found it frustrating trying to get Lincoln straight. I have the coin upside down so I am seeing the memorial yet on the scan Lincoln is on a slant. So I decided to look on Ebay since they have many of the auctions with the Certifications. This DD auction is the same problem, when the reverse is straight the obverse is slanted. Is this one of the indicators? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Double...-Double-Die-/221933009062?hash=item33ac3cf8a6 Then I looked up auction for a good Certified penny, and their obverse is straight when the reverse is straight. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Lincoln-Cent-PCGS-MS66RD-/141813882517?hash=item2104c41e95 Also from these 2 auctions you can see the difference in the rims on the good coin the rim is nice a round all the around and on the DD auction only part of it rounded and smooth the other part is like a doubled rimmed edge (like mine). thanks for helping, I am still working on getting up some new scans with notes.
That date looks like it has possibilities, but the scan is out of focus. We really need to see these sharp and clear.
Okay just finished the front of the 1972 coin, like I said I don't know, but have a look please and I will put up the other pics as I get them done.
I am sorry I just don't have any better equipment since I am new at this and once I scan (600 dpi) the coin I don't do any editing it tp (like sharpening, etc).
@PennyHappy, that's good explanation on that second scan of the reverse, as it shows where you're thinking. This is what you need to do. You need to visualize the way a doubled die is made. Visualize a first impression, then a second impression over that first impression, but that's just a hair off to where you can still see part of that first impression showing. The "top" impression will be the second impression, can you visualize that? The first impression will underlie that second, partially covered by that second. Now, hold that visualization, and understand, that "top" impression will always be fully-intact in a doubled die. Does that make sense? What is going to distort that second impression? Nothing, as it was the last impression, i.e., there were no other impressions after it. Now, look at that part of the O in ONE. Do you notice how it's not "full" all around? Do you know why that is? A part of it was "taken" or "borrowed" to form the underlying impression. That was due to a hop, a skip, or a jump when that planchet was struck to make that coin. It's what we call "strike doubling." That first reverse you show has some of that going on, too. Both those reverses are strike doubled, although to different degrees. Why? The "top" impressions aren't fully-intact. They're rather foreshortened, compromised, taken or borrowed from, to form those "bottom," underlying impressions. Finally, under the building, that's post-mint damage. Put away those reverse scans and try to get us clearer, sharper obverses. If you want to know. If you can't, there are no hard feelings, but we just can't tell you. That's just the way it is.
Best logical explanation I have read of " strike doubling". Of course, it is new knowledge for me and goes into my INFO file. And that is why , folks, I read Coin talk.
I like to read your comments. You go into detail and explain things in a way that us new to coins can actually understand. Thank you for that.
Thanks, Kat. That fully-intact "top" impression isn't the complete way you tell a doubled die, but it's a good piece of it.
Yes, I agree. I have had the best experience with the help received from the everyone on this forum. I am just a Newbeeeee at this say about 5 weeks. I have been doing so much reading and learning (at least trying) in this time. It gets so confusing especially when trying to see & find the Die markers that they talk about and my coin scans just have not been sharp enough. They really have got that special ability to really "see" these things. It is truly remarkable? thank you all
Yes, I agree. I have had the best experience with the help received on this forum. I am just a Newborn at this say about 5 weeks. I have been doing so much reading and learning ) at least trying) in this time. It gets so confusing especially when trying to see & find the Die markers that they talk about and my scans just have not been sharp enough. Thank you very much for such a detailed explanation. You make it seem do simple but when I look at the coin it is so very hard to tell of what is the TOP sometimes. I have had this 1980 coin and have looked at it so many times trying to determine if it is a DDO - and with the age of the coin etc - well I just don't know what I see if anything. I am going to up loaded for your opinion. Going off of part of your explanation above "The "top" impression will be the second impression, can you visualize that? The first impression will underlie that second, partially covered by that second." I have selected the D is GOD for an example on the coin. Is this what you are referring to? I also have this 1995 - but when I trying to match up using the research websites such as DoubleDie & Lincoln cent it seemed to me more of a mechanical DD. I am very eager to learn from all, and maybe I have looked in to too much at one time trying to figure out what I have and how to identify on coins which is which. Thank you for the great help. Thank you very much for such a detailed explanation. You make it seem so simple (because of your skills, knowledge and experience) but when I look at the coin it is so very hard to tell what I am seeing like - what is the TOP because sometimes it looks like there is a line through the TOP of the letters (so that situation is more the mechanical issues?). I have had this 1980 coin and have looked at it so many times trying to determine if it is a DDO - and with the age of the coin etc - well I just don't know what I see if anything. I am going to up loaded for your opinion. Going off of part of your explanation above "The "top" impression will be the second impression, can you visualize that? The first impression will underlie that second, partially covered by that second." I have selected the D is GOD for an example on the coin. Is this what you are referring to? I also have this 1995 - but when I trying to match up using the research websites such as DoubleDie & Lincoln cent and others. it seemed to me more of a mechanical DD. I am very eager to learn from all, and maybe I have looked in to too much at one time trying to figure out what I have and how to identify on coins which is which. Thank you for the great help. Question: is it better for the images I posted to be Full images or thumbnails?
Hi Again Okay, I borrowed a better scanner these images are @ 2400 dpi should be much clearer. thanks
Hi Looks like some of my replies were doubled, Sorry my internet keeps crashing so I click the post reply again.
Thank you I have been studying and comparing my 1972 to the pictures on the master Double die page on Wexler's. I can see the similarities in mine to those pics http://doubleddie.com/203801.html. 1972 1¢ MD-5-O-I+II. This is also the coin that that has the rotated reverse, which I haven't been before - I have a picture of this here in the post. But what do you like of my 1972 D , especially for the Date and mint mark? thanks
