What a whizzed & retoned bronze coin looks like

After those two explanations I'm feeling a little whizzy I mean dizzy myself. But I learned a lot, thanks. It's just the room is still spinning...

 

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You are always spinning. It's not the room.

 

Thank you Doug but you make me feel old. I agree with your thoughts. I'm stuck in the past on some stuff. Changes in terms get me in trouble all the time. I need to get more in touch with modern use of terms and be more understanding of those that are. It just seems like everything gets called whizzed anymore.

 

It looks messed with enough for me to consider it whizzed no matter what particular method was used to do it.

 

Yeah--that's just it. If you know where to look, you can see that metal has been clearly pushed around--and probably by some kind of power tool.

Look--I presented two coins as evidence of this kind of aggressive cleaning--the diagnostics are there. What one chooses to see--or not see--on the coin is a different matter. And I consider it bad form to use my thread to confuse the issue. You should start your own thread to discuss your theories.

Again, I think it's important to ask--are these raised edges due to the striking process--or post-mint damage? In the context of IHCs, they are never struck like this, so if you see this damage--you are looking at metal that's been moved around mechanically. This type of cleaning is tricky, and doesn't always show in the fields as scratches--just like the coin BadThad posted.

 

Touche, I walked right into that one.

 

Often the English language provides us with a tool to beat others over the head.

 

You win Kurt. You are 100% correct. I should have never posted a different opinion in your thread. No one should ever do that. Only those that agree with you should post in your threads. Sorry if you feel I messed up your parade.
I posted that the coin was messed with and information that was on topic about whizzed coins. You posted only that the coin was whizzed. The rest of the time you were picking on me for having a different opinion. Great job.

 

The "opinions" you expressed weren't so much your ideas--as merely negating the informative content of my thread. You didn't try to understand my pictures or the points I was making. You provided no photographs, no diagnostics, no information to elaborate on the subject. All you did was cast my information, my work in doubt--and pretend you were doing so from "experience". This isn't numismatics, it's naysaying and making my thread about you. So spare me the sarcasm, when it's better directed at your own conduct here.

It's enough work for me to prepare photographs and a writeup to show these diagnostics. If you think I should pay attention to useless and confusing comments, you are very mistaken. I will be following up on this through the appropriate channels.

 

If I'm not mistaken it's called "Dremel Lustre",eh?

 

Hi Kurt and thank you for your kind words.

 

I have no doubt that the two Indian-Head cents shown in this thread have been harshly wire-brushed. This may have been done for purposes of simulating luster (whizzing), and/or for cleaning off light corrosion (verdigris).

 

I am also wondering if the Indian cent was "tooled" as well. Some of the sharp markings around the periphery of the devices look as if a dental tool or probe was also used to make the edges look "sharper?" It sure looks as if a variety of mechanical techniques were used to take what was once a very nice coin, and destroy it to a major degree. Definitely agree with the Dremel idea, but also wonder if some of the "finer" alterations used dental apparatus as well as the gross cleaning and whizzing?

 

Unless you work for a TPG or are a member of a board of Experts for a TPG or have some other type of credentials other than "I've been doing this a long time", ANYTHING which you post are merely your "opinions" AND subject to discussion andf others "opinions" regardless of your informational intentions.

To imply that other posters CANNOT express their "opinions" in what you feel is an informative thread is simply arrogant and self serving. YOU may believe that the subject coin is whizzed but others, whom I feel are better qualified, have stated that they do not agree that the coin has been whizzed. WHY you chose to unleash your ire on Idhair suggesting that he either start his own thread or mind his own business is unknown to me.

And for the record, I also do not agree with your specific diagnostics on the subject coin being whizzed based upon the "evidence" presented in a single photograph.

Of course, this is all simply "My Opinion" since I know for a fact that I cannot read minds nor determine much about a coin based upon an eBay photograph.