Oddity on obverse

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kaosleeroy108, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    Okay I was reviewing a few rolls of coins and I found this particular 1940 Lincoln wheat cent and apparently on the obverse has the printing of the word Liberty on it below the shoulder line or at least and have some kind of cramping like I cannot sell whether it's exactly Liberty because I can't make out the letters but I am seems i am seeing an R and ty in a while but it looks like it's like upside down or right side up what is a picture of it you tell me what you see uploadfromtaptalk1446060849959.JPG uploadfromtaptalk1446060863074.JPG
     
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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    lamination, part has already been peeled off
     
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  4. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Yep. I agree
     
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  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    It looks like letters but they are not.. like the others have stated it's a Lamination
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    You bet. The last one on the far right is about to come off. It just needs a little more circulation to help it along.
     
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  8. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    It's not the lamination I am concerned with it the letter imprinted I thought it was igwt....
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You guys think this -

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    - is due to a lamination ?

    Now I'll grant you, there is a lamination to the right of that, that you can see on the right edge of the picture. But those sure look like mirror image letters to me, the kind you get if 2 coins are put one on top of the other and hit with a hammer.
     
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  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Yeah, I was wondering why everybody's calling it a lamination. Never seen a lamination in the shape of unconnected letters before. :)
     
  11. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I believe it to be all a Lamination. I have seen many Laminations like this one where some of the features resemble letters. If it were actual letters that were imprinted hard enough to leave that mark there would be damage on the Rim also. I know you are thinking of a Vise or Sandwich Coin PMD but I don't think this is the case.
     
  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Sorry but I have. Those resemble letters but they are not. Just a ragged Lamination.
     
  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I agree with Paddy. I've seen lamination errors that resemble letters. The far right area has another lamination that has not peeled off, yet. The size of what appears to be letters in reverse, even from the photo, are too large for another coin to be placed on top to create this. Given the date, it is 75 years old and it's seen a lot of wear. I'm sticking with my belief in it's a Lamination and nothing more. It just looks to clean to be PMD.

    On another note, Paddy, I liked your old avatar better. You had the only motion avatar. GDJMSP, try removing your sunglasses and look at this coin again. :D:)
     
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Maybe you need to put some on and look at it :rolleyes:
     
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  15. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Thanks.. I'm switching back to the original avatar.

    I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong especially a CT moderator who I truly respect. This is my opinion and like I have said I have seen Lams like this that are ragged. There are all kinds of Laminations and to understand them you have to see as many as possible

    This is a crazy one that I own - It's actually lifted up from the Obverse and still hanging on. I love to collect Lams and have seen similar ones to the OP's Cent. I had a few but have sold them over the years.
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  16. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    agreed.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You nor me either one can "prove" anything Paddy since all we have to go on is pictures. I've seen lots and lots of laminations, and I've never seen one that looks like the OP's coin. But I have seen lots and lots of hammer jobs or squeeze jobs that look exactly like the OP's coin. As for the coin in your pic - that doesn't even come close to looking like letters, just crinkled metal that is common on laminations.

    But the OP, he has the coin in hand. And he's seen more than a few coins too, and he says they look like letters. So, his first hand opinion, coupled with what I see, is what drives my opinion of what it is.

    As for me being a moderator, that has, and should not have, anything to do with it. People seem to think that just because somebody is a moderator on this coin forum that that indicates they are knowledgeable about coins. Moderators on CoinTalk are NOT chosen for or because of their knowledge about coins or numismatics. You could know just about nothing about coins and still be chosen as a moderator for CT. That's because they are chosen for their other qualities, not what they know, or don't know, about coins.

    When it comes to talking about coins or being a coin enthusiast moderators are no different than any other member - they should only be given respect if and when they have earned it. Not because they are moderators.
     
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  18. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Hehe.. I was just showing it off not comparing it to the OP's coin ;) - Giving an example of different kinds of Laminations. I love to collect these errors. Maybe this Cent in question will remain a mystery.. peace :cool:
     
  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Rotated it, but it still really doesn't look like letters particularly.
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    Also just noticed the deformations don't extend into the rim.
     
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  20. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    That coin is covered with laminations. There is one in front of his chin, on the bow tie (I think), below the tie (I think), and one below the bust on top of all on the bust. And, no, I do not think those are reverse letters.
     
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