Finally One of Every Flavor - The Neapolitan Ice Cream Collection

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  1. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    You all might be familiar with the coins of Raja Raja Chola and the subsequent Copper Massa of Sri Lanka that copied the mainland issues for hundreds of years. Rather than boring you all to tears with all the background...again.

    I will cut right to the chase and just show you my newest addition to the series and then the group photo showing the completion of the Neapolitian Ice Cream Collection with an AR unit found in Karur, India.

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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sweet => they're all really cool, Noob

    My favourite is the top brown one (mmmm, yummy)
     
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  4. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Nice! How many Indian coins does that make in your collection so far, just wondering?

    If I can find an affordable Anastasius or Justinian silver coin I'd have a Neapolitian set of my own :D
     
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  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice addition, great to have a set in different metals. Congrats.
     
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  6. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    A lot! I need to come up with some numbers. They certainly out number both my Greeks and Romans proper. :cool:
     
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  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Excellent set, they do look rather yummy.
     
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  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    What a fun set!
     
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  9. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Great composite! Does that represent the actual size of the coins relative to each other?
     
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  10. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Great collection! Those are the flavors I like. I am still missing several coins from my collection. But will complete it one day.

    I would like to make a slight amendment to your historical fact on these coins though. Raja Raja copied the design from the Sri Lankans and brought it back to the mainland for his own coins. That design proliferated throughout South India for hundreds of years between the three great empires, the pandyas, the cholas, and the cheras, until the arrival of the Vijayanagar Empire.
     
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  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Yes these coins are scaled relative to one another.
     
  12. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Interested I as was under the impression that the Chera/Chola/Pandya mainland crescent issues predate the gold Lanka gold coins. Which continued in copper during the five kingdoms period.
     
  13. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    1st, 2nd, and 3rd place in the octopus king olymics!

    a clean sweep for AN!:woot:
     
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  14. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    The original coins were the anonymous Gold Kahavanu coins of Sri Lanka that predates the Cholan invasion. Those coins are tentatively dated to around the 8th century and continued after the Cholan occupation. Here are a few of these "anonymous" coins and there are a few different types with various denominations. Notice the inscription reads Sri Lamka Vibhu, in Devanagari. It roughly translates to Lord of Lanka:

    Ceylon: Anonymous AV Kahavanu, Sri Lamka Vibhu Type IIIA (MCSI-825)

    Obv: Sitting figure holding Annulet; Devanagari legend Sri Lamka Vibhu
    Rev: Standing figure holding Ball

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    Ceylon: Anonymous AV Kahavanu, Sri Lamka Vibhu Type III-B (MCSI-825)

    Obv: Sitting figure holding sankh shell; Devanagari legend Sri Lamka Vibhu
    Rev: Standing king holding Jasmine Flower with ancillary symbols, to left and right

    [​IMG]


    Raja Raja changed the design after the occupation of Sri Lanka, replacing Sri Lamka Vibhu with Sri Raja Raja:


    Ceylon: Raja Raja Chola (ca. 985-1014) AV Kahavanu (MNI-825)

    Obv: King seated right, with arm on right raised and holding sankh shell; Devanagari legend on right, below raised arm - श्री रज रज (Sri Raja Raja)
    Rev: Standing king holding Jasmine Flower with ancillary symbols, to left and right

    [​IMG]


    The design proliferated in South India across the three kingdoms with slight variations to suite the local tastes. I won't repeat the coins you posted, so I added other designs to complement your post:

    Imperial Chola: Raja Raja I (ca. 1007) AE Kasu (Biddulph-21)

    Obv: King half seated, with raised arm on right; Devanagari legend beneath raised arm; श्री राजा राजा (Sri Raja Raja)
    Rev: Standing man, with lamp on left and fish on right, representing the the Pandya conquest

    Take notice of the fish that represents the emblem of the Pandyan Empire. Raja Raja conquered them as well and put the fish on some of his coins to illustrate subjugation.

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    Imperial Chola: Kulottunga Chola I (1070-1120) Kasu (MCSI-345)

    Obv: King half seated, with raised arm on right; Tamil legend beneath raised arm - Ku (கு)
    Rev: Standing man, with lamp on left and group of pellets on right

    Kulottunga Chola was the Grandson of Raja Raja Chola.

    [​IMG]


    The Pandyan Empire finally gained independence from the Chola Empire and grew powerful enough to subjugate their former lords. They issued several anonymous coins with the fish emblem and later added their own legends in Tamil:


    Pandyan Empire: Sundara Pandyan (1251–1268) AE Kasu (MCSI-399)

    Obv: Tamil - Sundara Pandyan (சுதர பானடி யன)
    Rev: Chola Style Standing Figure; fish above pellets

    PandyaJatavarmanSundaraPandyaIIIMCSI399Obverse.jpg
     
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  15. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Lovely additions QG!!! Thanks for sharing!!
     
  16. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Gotta' say that I like that cioccolate one best. ;)
     
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  17. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    For the record the chocolate was acquired for an Andrew Jackson. :D
     
  18. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    wow=> that's quite the cage-match !!

    => QG versus Noob ... Let's Get Ready To Ruuuuuuuuuuuummmble!!

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Great coins in both corners!!
     
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  19. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Round one @Bing !!! :D
     
  20. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Why you gotta make the reunited long-lost brothers fight? Not cool man :eek:

    :p
     
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  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Is this coin related? The reverse seems to have the standing man motif but I have had a lot of trouble finding out about this little bronze.
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